kevin is right
& there is no longer any njny dispute here
so far as i know
nor anything to square with anything
so far as i can see
but apparently just the usual extravagance of misunderstanding
the only purely federal territories are the district of columbia
& the several federal territorial seas
lying everywhere between the 12nm limits of national jurisdiction
& the seaward limits of the coastal states & territories
the ellis island situation falls in neither of these categories
but is just an allocation of federally controlled land to the
territories of 2 states
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
<lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> How does your reply square with what CNN wrote in its report
on the
> Supreme Court case from the end of May 03 where it stated:
>
> "As a result, most of the island in New York Harbor from now
on must
> be considered Ellis Island, New Jersey"?
>
> I agree the Feds don't have a mini-DC there, but the
Sumpreme Court
> only said, apparently, that the Feds don't have the right to alter
the
> border of two states at that point. Does the dispute go on?
>
> LN
>
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Flynn, Kevin"
<flynnk@r...> wrote:
> > Ellis Island, while owned by the federal government, is not
federal
> > territory with a boundary to be established. The 3-acre +/-
original
> island
> > is NY and the infill surrounding area, and surrounding
waters, is NJ.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: L. A. Nadybal [mailto:lnadybal@c...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:15 PM
> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
> >
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002"
<orc@o...> wrote:
> > > in reply to craig:
> >
> > >"it is noteworthy that the ellis island njny loop was originally
> > >fractal but since it is based today on a former rather than the
present
> > >shoreline the supreme court adjudicator or special master
was forced to
> > >rationalize the line into a series of plotted points"
> >
> > That wouldn't come into play as an aswer to the question
about
> > "interstate" boundaries, because the part of Ellis Island that
is
> > federal would make it the second place within the country
that is not
> > a part of any state. For that reason, we couldn't consider the
DC-VA
> > border in trying to answer the question. There's got to be a
tripoint
> > at one place on the perimiter of the federal portion of Ellis
island
> > and another at some other location on the perimiter from
which the
> > joint border continues anew. NJ-NY will not have a common
border
> > where the federal portion interrupts.
> >
> > And, to close off with the "but..." question? Did the Supreme
Court
> > actually say that the plot of federal land on the island is not
part
> > of either state or did the court do a "favorite" and leave things
> > ambiguous by saying only that neither state had jurisdiction?
> >
> > LN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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