Hi.
I think you got the translation about right, given what I understood
from my "virtual" Italian, and I understand what you were trying to
replay re: the columns. The point of disrepancy between the old
website we discussed last year and this one center around the points
the arrows in the new website refer to. I posted the map out of hte
old website on my www.exclave.info site, maybe that's easier to find
than the old message posted here that I'm referring to.
The St. Peter's Square is Vatican territory proper as I understand
things, but with the Italian police having a right to exercize Italian
police jurisdiction (ticket, drag away from the Vatican area and try
one in Italian court) - I didn't get out of the text that for any
other purpose there was any Italian sayso there like taxes or postal
services. Especially visible are Vatican and no Italian postal
services in the square where the Vatican parks its mobile post office.
Or, did the article mean something else?
Regards
LN
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BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
<smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@c...>
> > The Vatican paper shows that there is a real stark discrepancy
> between
> > what is presented here on the linked page and that which was in the
> > website that was an earlier subject of messages here - in which it
> > maintainted, namely, that there is a circular, crescent shaped niche
> > of Italy jutting northward into the east side of the porticos
> > surrounding St. Peter's Square. The new article shows the border
> > slices diagonally right through the Vatican walls at this point, and
> > that the steps to the elevated sections on which the porticos'
> > supporting pillars rest are in Italy - the Vatican buildings hang
> over
> > into Italy.
>
> Now my Italian is not good to say the least, but as far as I could
> understand there are two things pointed out in the article:
>
> 1. The map that went with the 1929 treaty exists in two versions: one
> that went with the treaty as it was published in the Italian official
> state newspaper (Gazzetta Ufficiale), and the one that was added to
> the treaty as it was published in the Vatican official state
> newspaper (Acta Apostolicae Sedis). The area is marked by a red arrow
> (fig. 2a and 2b).
>
> 2. The "extra" columns that stick out from the Bernini colonnade (at
> the outside of which the ITVA boundary is running), where the Via
> della Conciliazione meets St. Peter's square, are not part of the
> Bernini columns proper, and so they are in Italy. But they are
> connected to the Bernini columns at their top ends. Since it is
> connected to (and thus part of) the building, the building itself can
> be considered a divided building. (Yes, I know it sounds strange,
> being part of it and at the same time not being part of it, but it's
> surely down to something I didn't understand in the text. I mean the
> point is made clear in the pictures). It is compared with the Pope
> Paul VI Audience Hall, another building which is partly on Vatican
> territory, partly on Italian territory that is
> nevertheless "extraterritorial".
>
> Another thing that is pointed out here is that St. Peter's square has
> a special status, being Vatican territory, but under Italian
> jurisdiction.
>
> But, as I was saying, my Italian is rubbish. Did I misunderstood
> anything here??
>
> Peter S.