Subject: Re: ITVA<br/>
Date: Apr 13, 2003 @ 20:20<br/>
Author: Peter Smaardijk (&quot;Peter Smaardijk&quot; &lt;smaardijk@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1895367356">--- In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com">BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com</a>, &quot;L. A. Nadybal&quot; &lt;lnadybal@c...&gt; <br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; The Vatican paper shows that there is a real stark discrepancy <br/>
 </span></blockquote>between<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; what is presented here on the linked page and that which was in the<br/>
&gt; website that was an earlier subject of messages here  - in which it<br/>
&gt; maintainted, namely, that there is a circular, crescent shaped niche<br/>
&gt; of Italy jutting northward into the east side of the porticos<br/>
&gt; surrounding St. Peter&#39;s Square.  The new article shows the border<br/>
&gt; slices diagonally right through the Vatican walls at this point, and<br/>
&gt; that the steps to the elevated sections on which the porticos&#39;<br/>
&gt; supporting pillars rest are in Italy - the Vatican buildings hang <br/>
 </span></blockquote>over<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; into Italy.   <br/>
<br/>
 </span></blockquote>Now my Italian is not good to say the least, but as far as I could <br/>
understand there are two things pointed out in the article:<br/>
<br/>
1. The map that went with the 1929 treaty exists in two versions: one <br/>
that went with the treaty as it was published in the Italian official <br/>
state newspaper (Gazzetta Ufficiale), and the one that was added to <br/>
the treaty as it was published in the Vatican official state <br/>
newspaper (Acta Apostolicae Sedis). The area is marked by a red arrow <br/>
(fig. 2a and 2b).<br/>
<br/>
2. The &quot;extra&quot; columns that stick out from the Bernini colonnade (at <br/>
the outside of which the ITVA boundary is running), where the Via <br/>
della Conciliazione meets St. Peter&#39;s square, are not part of the <br/>
Bernini columns proper, and so they are in Italy. But they are <br/>
connected to the Bernini columns at their top ends. Since it is <br/>
connected to (and thus part of) the building, the building itself can <br/>
be considered a divided building. (Yes, I know it sounds strange, <br/>
being part of it and at the same time not being part of it, but it&#39;s <br/>
surely down to something I didn&#39;t understand in the text. I mean the <br/>
point is made clear in the pictures). It is compared with the Pope <br/>
Paul VI Audience Hall, another building which is partly on Vatican <br/>
territory, partly on Italian territory that is <br/>
nevertheless &quot;extraterritorial&quot;. <br/>
<br/>
Another thing that is pointed out here is that St. Peter&#39;s square has <br/>
a special status, being Vatican territory, but under Italian <br/>
jurisdiction.<br/>
<br/>
But, as I was saying, my Italian is rubbish. Did I misunderstood <br/>
anything here??<br/>
<br/>
Peter S.</div>