One of the old GCEBE rules is "The locals don't
know". And the guards probably don't really know ore care.
The rule has been proven right so many times,
I should start collecting what the locals say and put in on a
homepage.
Last year some DK b-freaks visited a local
German with an indirect border marker in his garden. The other indirect marker
was on the Danish side of a small ditch. The "poor fella" claimed that in
between the two markers was nomansland, and so part of his garden was
"nomansland".
We asked some locals in the street of a border town
the best way to some border markers. As the local went on about some statues and
other monuments we realized we were wasting our time. He also did not realize
that border marker no 1 actually was a border marker and not a reunion
monument.
Personally I don't mind if the guards got it wrong,
as long as we get to do a tripoint dance. And should the tripoint turn
out to be neutral area, it's just an extra bonus.
Jesper
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:43
AM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BYLTLV
> ok then that appears to bust our surmise that the 6x6m
framed
> square of everyones land enclosing all 4 of the mentioned
> elements might be some kind of a legal tridominium
> as
contemplated & seriously entertained following jans original
>
report in message 3696
No. of course not! the border guards couldn't've
told Jan that they
were allowing him a legally illegal thing, so came up
with something
like that. Worse if they actually believed it. It's
unbelievable, the
landlord at an apartment I stayed in Nida, Curonian Spit
this summer
shared with me her outrage that 2 km stretch of prime Curonian
land
was "neutral zone". The fact that the LT and the RU border posts were
separated by that distance convinced her so. The point on the beach,
1340 m inward from the border, where the Lithuanian border guard
stood
at guard of the insanly thick border protection zone, was where
the prime
Curonian no one's land started. I guess it figures for
border-ignorant
people. Couldn't say that the Lithuanian border
guards usually seem to
know where the border is either.
>
> instead what the
square area appears to be is just
> the project
> as worked out
per article 3 above
> & any universality inhering in this area
appears still to be purely
> sentimental &
symbolic
yeah, and de facto sometimes too i guess.
> & tho this little quasi triarea has a practical
purpose too in
> facilitating visitation of the tripoint
which
happens. (sarcastic)
> as we have seen
> there does not appear
to be any actual multidominium here yet
>
>
> also there
really is no discernible difference in the byltlv
position
>
depicted in jespers 2 map swatches above
> ref message 9496
> but
only in the general alignment of the bylt boundary
>
I would
also think the the TP did not change. It was simply searched
out by BYans
LTians and LVians as shown on soviet maps and pointed at
on the ground,
since soviet internal borders suely weren't marked in
any way (are you
kidding, US states seldom have these, any symbol of
nationality/sovereignty realted division would be heretic in SU).
put
from the point onwards, the BY/LT Republics border seldom matches
that of
the SSR's. Minor adjustments, but still, with loss of
Pagiriai being the
most tragic consequence for us. (Adutiskis was
also about to
disappear)
> the 5x difference in scale may be
misleading
>
> the tripoint position per se
> does not
appear to have ever been displaced
> but only refined & zeroed in
upon by the demarcation process
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