Subject: Re: substandard dutch territorial sea in question<br/>
Date: Dec 11, 2001 @ 05:08<br/>
Author: acroorca2002 (&quot;acroorca2002&quot; &lt;orc@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1426354091">--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., &quot;ps1966nl&quot; &lt;smaardijk@y...&gt; wrote:<br/>
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<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; michael donner:<br/>
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&gt; &gt; &gt;In that case, the belt of Dutch territorial waters is<br/>
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&gt; &gt; &gt;narrower than the 12 nm.<br/>
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&gt; &gt; but wait because i really really think i absolutely followed you up <br/>
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&gt; &gt; point yet now i think i have completely lost you & this would be <br/>
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&gt; &gt; news anyway if true i mean your conclusion may be correct & is <br/>
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&gt; certainly<br/>
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&gt; &gt; exciting but could you say again how you got there<br/>
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&gt; &gt; m<br/>
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&gt; What I mean is that territorial waters are not equal in sovereignty <br/>
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&gt; to dry territory (although much more similar in this respect than <br/>
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&gt; EEZ&#39;s are to dry territory, of course), but internal waters are <br/>
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 </span></blockquote>i do believe some territorial waters are equal in sovereignty to dry territory because i believe the actual transition between limited & unlimited sovereignty occurs not between wet & dry areas nor even along the baseline but at the 3nm limit of innocent passage within territorial waters<br/>
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<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; I suspect (although I&#39;m not sure, and if anyone can prove me <br/>
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&gt; narrow strip before the Dutch coast is legally treated as your <br/>
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&gt; average small lake somewhere in the middle of the Netherlands. And <br/>
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&gt; thus not as territorial waters.<br/>
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&gt; Peter S.<br/>
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 </span></blockquote>i dont mean to say you are wrong nor do i believe it but internalizing waters very far seaward of the baselines does seem to violate international law <br/>
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& yet at the same time it seems to be of little or no consequence too since innocent passage isnt guaranteed within 3nm of the baselines anyway & i believe your suspected internal waters are only exceeding 3nm in a tiny area at the very end of that 6km jog you mentioned<br/>
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but whatever this dutch internal maritime boundary really means internally i think the real test of consequentiality will come at the 12nm limit as projected from legally correct baselines <br/>
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so if you are only saying that something less than the full 12nm appears to have been projected from this provincial &or internal waters boundary then i would say thats good because the 12nm shouldnt be projected from there anyway but rather only from the baseline in every case<br/>
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also this peculiar irregularity of the dutch federal provincial division is hot news for me who had previously only encountered the mexicanadian sort of regular division at the baseline & the australmerican sort of regular division at the 3nm line within the greater territorial waters <br/>
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