Subject: Re: the elusive frgbnl et al
Date: Dec 07, 2001 @ 04:25
Author: acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
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--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "granthutchison" <granthutchison@b...> wrote:



> I'm confused now at the tripoint Prescott shows in his map of the

> Caribbean, supposedly based on equidistance lines. A look at a decent

> map of Saint Martin/Sint Maarten shows the west end of the land border

> reaching the beach on a coast that faces stolidly SW. An equidistance

> line should run in that direction too and, to my eye, tend to

> *diverge* from the Anguilla /Saint Martin equidistance line. The line

> Prescott maps runs *parallel* to the coast, and so hits the Anguilla /

> Saint Martin border quite a short distance westwards of its dry beginning.



whaa

i must have misunderstood & dont have the maps



do you mean in prescott

the median frnl projected from the east end of dry frnl runs away from the question entirely

while median frgb strikes only the sw median frnl & strangely far inshore or really just off the west end of dry frnl



weird if so

or dont you think so



but an error in prescott

highly unlikely & unusual

so much more likely i have misunderstood

else there was only this fly in my ointment

rather than any pea under my mattresses



for my expectation that this map would pan out may well have been what threw me for that whole mobius loop in the first place

& what a roller coaster of a learning curve in any case



> And there's more:

> Prescott gives Anguilla *and* the Netherlands Antilles bare 3nm

> territorial waters and no EEZ claims, while Guadeloupe claims

> (predictably, according to Peter S.) the full 12nm/200nm. This year's

> CIA Factbook gives Anguilla 3nm/200nm, Guadeloupe 12nm/200nm and

> Netherlands Antilles 12nm/12nm.



so maybe the dutch have blown it out to the 12nm limit in the interim

but if what you mean above is that a 12nm territorial sea equidistance tripoint has already proved chimerical then how much more chimerical when any of the 3 claim balloons remain underinflated



> I'm assuming that a 200nm EEZ based on Anguilla would necessarily

> prevent 12nm territorial waters around Saint Martin/Sint Maarten

> reaching as far as Anguilla's 3nm territorial waters - they would come

> into conflict with the British EEZ.

>

> Grant



ahh but here is where you have really blown my mind



i realize you have been focusing more on eez areas & eez tripoints

while i have lately been focusing more on territorial tripoints

& that we have been focusing together in this way on both the high & low water lines of everyones land

which together delineate the complete everyonese territorial frontier



& these areas of coverage are

the primary or sovereignty area

meaning lands plus territorial seas

& the consequent or sovereign rights area

meaning eezs plus continental shelves



& i dont yet see how eez claims could trump sovereign area claims

i mean except perhaps as bargaining fodder during negotiations

but can so far only manage to see it the other way round



so i would have thought the correct sequence of reading the apparent status quo is that

first the disparate fr & gb territorial seas have never met & never will even if fully normalized

& second the fr & gb eez claims are presumably equidistanced from coastal baselines & thus the frgb eez line either clears both territorial seas or is intrerrupted by the french territorial sea

for i am still unsure which

but wouldnt in any case trump any territorial sea at any time



or at least thats what i was understanding & thinking & assuming til you said you were assuming the opposite



so i suppose i can finally see it both ways now

& wonder which is true



m



i also finally realized this morning that we will have to add a whole nother category of perhaps 150 still wildly estimated fellow everyonese high seas multipoint classmates to properly acknowledge & accompany our newfound evhritsi territorial seas quadripoint

which could thus jack the final global multipoint count beyond 600

but what joy to finally have a global maxipoint everyone can salute