Subject: Re: yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
Date: Sep 05, 2006 @ 02:57
Author: aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, we surely could use one of those old Soviet maps. I looked for one
> also, but struck out.
>
> My statement about "the location of the tripoint according to all of
> these mapping services" meant that they all agree on the shapes of the
> boundaries and place the tripoint in the same part of the depression as
> best as can be told on the various scales.
>
> I placed the pushpin thus: Live Local, like Google Maps, dispenses with
> the boundary overlays as one zooms in closely. However, Live Local
> allows one to move and precisely place a pushpin using a crosshair
> cursor. Once placed, it stays in place at any zoom level. I placed it
> as accurately as possible on the tripoint, then zoomed in to see where
> it was within the enlarged view. Several tries produced substantially
> the same result where you saw the point of the pushpin in my attachment.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated &
> definitely elusive
>
>
> > beautiful
> > thanx
> > great fun
> > & please look for a few inserts below
> >
> > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree that there is quite an escarpment there, and
> >> the name Chink
> >> Kaplankyr might well refer to it rather than the
> >> depression at its foot
> >> in which the intermittent lake is located.
> >
> > if you will survey the usages of chink say in this
> > local ustyurt sampling
> > http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=chink+ustyurt&ie=UTF
-8&oe=UTF-8
> >
> > youll see a range of evident meanings covering
> > practically everything from the plateau itself & down
> > the scarp to the depression at its base
> > e x c e p t
> > the bottom of the depression itself
> > so it seems to me at this point call it anything but a
> > salt pan or salt flat
> >
> >> Your Encarta map linked below clearly shows the
> >> below-sea-level
> >> depressions, numerous intermittent streamcourses
> >> flowing into them, and
> >> some water in the one near the tripoint. It also
> >> shows the tripoint as
> >> being below sea level. (Check the Encarta legend
> >> for the meaning of
> >> that darkest green.)
> >
> > there was or is no question about the elevation in
> > relation to sea level
> > tho this is an interesting excursion
> > but only a question of what sort of terrain & ground
> > the tripoint is in
> > that might cause a problem with the monumentation
> >
> > i began with crumbly & steep based on the chink photo
> > i flashed but i agree your guessed position pinpointed
> > in your second attachment pic on much lower ground
> > than mine & some 200 meters to the east of it might
> > tend to be flatter & darker if not danker or damper
> > or even as you conclude headlong in ooze
> >
> > so it becomes a question first of why our guesses are
> > these 200 or so horizontal meters apart
> >
> > or perhaps only a question of what you mean by
> > according to all of these various mapping services
> >
> > & then of how you evaluated & or used them to reach
> > your pushpin conclusion
> > not at all far from mine at the natural arrowhead
> > point
> > & yet so distinctly different in character from it
> >
> >> Now, if you'll go to the Google Maps image linked in
> >> your message below
> >> and zoom out, you will see that the tripoint
> >> depression and its narrow
> >> southeastern neighbor have some water and some salt
> >> flats, as do the
> >> Kara-Bogaz Gol (Garabogazköl), which is naturally
> >> poldered off from the
> >> Caspian Sea to the west and the Sarygamysh Köli
> >> (Ozera Sarygamysh) to
> >> the northeast. The tripoint seems to be wet at the
> >> time of this
> >> snapshot from space. The lake in the tripoint
> >> depression varies in size
> >> over time.
> >
> > your position may or may not be characteristically wet
> > but it is hard to imagine mine wet except infrequently
> > in the rain or a humongous flash flood
> >
> > end of my inserts but please do add more
> >
> > & btw we could really use the good old soviet topo of
> > this point at this point
> > which might indeed resolve everything with authority
> > but neither the berkeley nor the mapy troves provide
> > it online
> >
> > i mean
> > just in case anyone knows where to find one
> > it must be a beauty as well as a rarity
> >
> >> In the attached 1.jpg, you will see that the
> >> tripoint depression and its
> >> narrow southeastern neighbor are dry--all salt and
> >> no water. In the
> >> wetter close-up 2.jpg attached, the very point of
> >> the pushpin indicates
> >> the location of the tripoint according to all of
> >> these various mapping
> >> services. The escarpment and its associated talus
> >> are clearly visible
> >> on the northern rim of the depression, but the
> >> tripoint is well down in
> >> the dark ooze.
> >>
> >> Lowell G. McManus
> >> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
> >> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:35 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
> >> reportedly undelineated &
> >> definitely elusive
> >>
> >>
> >> > but it is clear as well as credible
> >> > when i zoom encarta all the way in for topography
> >> &
> >> > boundaries
> >> >
> >>
> > http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?
TextLatitude=41.399513160184476&TextLongitude=56.029051315699746&TextAltitude
=8&TextSelectedEntity=10107400&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize
=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=goklenkuyu&MapStylesList=Compre
hensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=43.2899541104997%3B59.2412018
038095%3B5%3B10107400%3BQoraqalpoghiston+%28autonomous+republic%29%2C+Uzb
ekistan%3BMedium%3BComprehensive
> >> > & compare google for photography
> >> >
> >>
> > http://maps.google.com/?
ie=UTF8&z=10&ll=41.307729,55.994568&spn=0.505475,0.939331&t=h&om=1
> >> > that kztmuz is neither atop the plateau nor in the
> >> > salt lake
> >> > but somewhere among the chaotic breaks that lie in
> >> > between
> >> > as for example in these neighborhood views
> >> > at top in each case
> >> > http://www.stantours.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
> >> > http://www.ayan-travel.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
> >> >
> >> > --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Both of the Live Local links in your reply work
> >> >> for
> >> >> > me. I'm not clear
> >> >> > on what you're getting when you go to them.
> >> >>
> >> >> great
> >> >> i still get nothing
> >> >> or rather to be perfectly clear i get a blank
> >> white
> >> >> screen
> >> >> both normally & also when i try to go via my
> >> hotmail
> >> >> account
> >> >> which for some reason doesnt activate any links
> >> at
> >> >> all
> >> >>
> >> >> but i am not much for jumping thru hoops anyway
> >> >> so cant you just capture & send us whatever it is
> >> >> you
> >> >> are talking about
> >> >> or help us out of your predicament some other way
> >> >>
> >> >> but in any case
> >> >> whatever you may be seeing there
> >> >> please understand i dont think we are talking
> >> about
> >> >> a
> >> >> salt pan here
> >> >> whether wet or dry
> >> >> nor any crack or sink
> >> >> etymological speculations to the contrary
> >> >> nothwithstanding
> >> >> but a fairly vertical palisade
> >> >> at or near the location of the tripoint
> >> >> which thus might fall either beneath or atop or
> >> even
> >> >> right on the edge of the plateau
> >> >>
> >> >> perhaps somewhat like a wall of the llano
> >> estacado
> >> >> but
> >> >> only moreso
> >> >>
> >> >> > Apparently, though, one
> >> >> > must be logged in to access Windows Live Local.
> >> >> > It's free, but you must
> >> >> > jump through the hoop. All you need to log in
> >> is
> >> >> an
> >> >> > MSN Hotmail, MSN
> >> >> > Messenger, or Microsoft Passport account (all
> >> of
> >> >> > which are free). Any
> >> >> > of those can be used as your Windows Live ID to
> >> >> log
> >> >> > in. I have mine set
> >> >> > to automatically remember me and log me in
> >> >> whenever
> >> >> > I go to a site that
> >> >> > need it, so I didn't remember that it was
> >> >> required.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Getting an ID is worth it, because Live Local
> >> has
> >> >> > several advantages
> >> >> > over Google Earth (which also has a few of its
> >> >> own).
> >> >> > Also, Live Local
> >> >> > uses USGS aerial photos in the USA for the
> >> >> > close-ups, but they're newer
> >> >> > than those at TerraServer, and you can
> >> dynamically
> >> >> > pan and zoom them
> >> >> > with your mouse (just like you can with the
> >> >> > satellite photos on Live
> >> >> > Local and Google Earth). That alone is worth
> >> the
> >> >> > price of admission!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Lowell G. McManus
> >> >> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
> >> >> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> >> >> > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 6:22 PM
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
> >> >> > reportedly undelineated &
> >> >> > definitely elusive
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > sounds interesting but
> >> >> > > is this tinyurl working normally
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > it quickly redirects my browser to
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> > http://local.live.com/default.aspx?
v=2&cp=41.619802~54.78123&style=h&lvl=7&scene=1004144
> >> >> > > but this page then does nothing
> >> >> > > just like its main page also does
> >> >> > > http://local.live.com/
> >> >> > > so maybe that whole site or function is down
> >> >> > > whatever it may be or mean
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > the tinyurl site itself seems to be working
> >> fine
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> There's a different NASA satellite view of
> >> the
> >> >> > >> tripoint on Windows Live
> >> >> > >> Local at http://tinyurl.com/lw7uy . This
> >> one
> >> >> > shows
> >>
> > === message truncated ===
> >
> >
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