Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
Date: Sep 05, 2006 @ 02:13
Author: Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated &
definitely elusive
> beautiful
> thanx
> great fun
> & please look for a few inserts below
>
> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
>
>> I agree that there is quite an escarpment there, and
>> the name Chink
>> Kaplankyr might well refer to it rather than the
>> depression at its foot
>> in which the intermittent lake is located.
>
> if you will survey the usages of chink say in this
> local ustyurt sampling
> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=chink+ustyurt&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
>
> youll see a range of evident meanings covering
> practically everything from the plateau itself & down
> the scarp to the depression at its base
> e x c e p t
> the bottom of the depression itself
> so it seems to me at this point call it anything but a
> salt pan or salt flat
>
>> Your Encarta map linked below clearly shows the
>> below-sea-level
>> depressions, numerous intermittent streamcourses
>> flowing into them, and
>> some water in the one near the tripoint. It also
>> shows the tripoint as
>> being below sea level. (Check the Encarta legend
>> for the meaning of
>> that darkest green.)
>
> there was or is no question about the elevation in
> relation to sea level
> tho this is an interesting excursion
> but only a question of what sort of terrain & ground
> the tripoint is in
> that might cause a problem with the monumentation
>
> i began with crumbly & steep based on the chink photo
> i flashed but i agree your guessed position pinpointed
> in your second attachment pic on much lower ground
> than mine & some 200 meters to the east of it might
> tend to be flatter & darker if not danker or damper
> or even as you conclude headlong in ooze
>
> so it becomes a question first of why our guesses are
> these 200 or so horizontal meters apart
>
> or perhaps only a question of what you mean by
> according to all of these various mapping services
>
> & then of how you evaluated & or used them to reach
> your pushpin conclusion
> not at all far from mine at the natural arrowhead
> point
> & yet so distinctly different in character from it
>
>> Now, if you'll go to the Google Maps image linked in
>> your message below
>> and zoom out, you will see that the tripoint
>> depression and its narrow
>> southeastern neighbor have some water and some salt
>> flats, as do the
>> Kara-Bogaz Gol (Garabogazköl), which is naturally
>> poldered off from the
>> Caspian Sea to the west and the Sarygamysh Köli
>> (Ozera Sarygamysh) to
>> the northeast. The tripoint seems to be wet at the
>> time of this
>> snapshot from space. The lake in the tripoint
>> depression varies in size
>> over time.
>
> your position may or may not be characteristically wet
> but it is hard to imagine mine wet except infrequently
> in the rain or a humongous flash flood
>
> end of my inserts but please do add more
>
> & btw we could really use the good old soviet topo of
> this point at this point
> which might indeed resolve everything with authority
> but neither the berkeley nor the mapy troves provide
> it online
>
> i mean
> just in case anyone knows where to find one
> it must be a beauty as well as a rarity
>
>> In the attached 1.jpg, you will see that the
>> tripoint depression and its
>> narrow southeastern neighbor are dry--all salt and
>> no water. In the
>> wetter close-up 2.jpg attached, the very point of
>> the pushpin indicates
>> the location of the tripoint according to all of
>> these various mapping
>> services. The escarpment and its associated talus
>> are clearly visible
>> on the northern rim of the depression, but the
>> tripoint is well down in
>> the dark ooze.
>>
>> Lowell G. McManus
>> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
>> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> reportedly undelineated &
>> definitely elusive
>>
>>
>> > but it is clear as well as credible
>> > when i zoom encarta all the way in for topography
>> &
>> > boundaries
>> >
>>
> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=41.399513160184476&TextLongitude=56.029051315699746&TextAltitude=8&TextSelectedEntity=10107400&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=goklenkuyu&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=43.2899541104997%3B59.2412018038095%3B5%3B10107400%3BQoraqalpoghiston+%28autonomous+republic%29%2C+Uzbekistan%3BMedium%3BComprehensive
>> > & compare google for photography
>> >
>>
> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=10&ll=41.307729,55.994568&spn=0.505475,0.939331&t=h&om=1
>> > that kztmuz is neither atop the plateau nor in the
>> > salt lake
>> > but somewhere among the chaotic breaks that lie in
>> > between
>> > as for example in these neighborhood views
>> > at top in each case
>> > http://www.stantours.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
>> > http://www.ayan-travel.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
>> >
>> > --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Both of the Live Local links in your reply work
>> >> for
>> >> > me. I'm not clear
>> >> > on what you're getting when you go to them.
>> >>
>> >> great
>> >> i still get nothing
>> >> or rather to be perfectly clear i get a blank
>> white
>> >> screen
>> >> both normally & also when i try to go via my
>> hotmail
>> >> account
>> >> which for some reason doesnt activate any links
>> at
>> >> all
>> >>
>> >> but i am not much for jumping thru hoops anyway
>> >> so cant you just capture & send us whatever it is
>> >> you
>> >> are talking about
>> >> or help us out of your predicament some other way
>> >>
>> >> but in any case
>> >> whatever you may be seeing there
>> >> please understand i dont think we are talking
>> about
>> >> a
>> >> salt pan here
>> >> whether wet or dry
>> >> nor any crack or sink
>> >> etymological speculations to the contrary
>> >> nothwithstanding
>> >> but a fairly vertical palisade
>> >> at or near the location of the tripoint
>> >> which thus might fall either beneath or atop or
>> even
>> >> right on the edge of the plateau
>> >>
>> >> perhaps somewhat like a wall of the llano
>> estacado
>> >> but
>> >> only moreso
>> >>
>> >> > Apparently, though, one
>> >> > must be logged in to access Windows Live Local.
>> >> > It's free, but you must
>> >> > jump through the hoop. All you need to log in
>> is
>> >> an
>> >> > MSN Hotmail, MSN
>> >> > Messenger, or Microsoft Passport account (all
>> of
>> >> > which are free). Any
>> >> > of those can be used as your Windows Live ID to
>> >> log
>> >> > in. I have mine set
>> >> > to automatically remember me and log me in
>> >> whenever
>> >> > I go to a site that
>> >> > need it, so I didn't remember that it was
>> >> required.
>> >> >
>> >> > Getting an ID is worth it, because Live Local
>> has
>> >> > several advantages
>> >> > over Google Earth (which also has a few of its
>> >> own).
>> >> > Also, Live Local
>> >> > uses USGS aerial photos in the USA for the
>> >> > close-ups, but they're newer
>> >> > than those at TerraServer, and you can
>> dynamically
>> >> > pan and zoom them
>> >> > with your mouse (just like you can with the
>> >> > satellite photos on Live
>> >> > Local and Google Earth). That alone is worth
>> the
>> >> > price of admission!
>> >> >
>> >> > Lowell G. McManus
>> >> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
>> >> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 6:22 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> >> > reportedly undelineated &
>> >> > definitely elusive
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > sounds interesting but
>> >> > > is this tinyurl working normally
>> >> > >
>> >> > > it quickly redirects my browser to
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=41.619802~54.78123&style=h&lvl=7&scene=1004144
>> >> > > but this page then does nothing
>> >> > > just like its main page also does
>> >> > > http://local.live.com/
>> >> > > so maybe that whole site or function is down
>> >> > > whatever it may be or mean
>> >> > >
>> >> > > the tinyurl site itself seems to be working
>> fine
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> There's a different NASA satellite view of
>> the
>> >> > >> tripoint on Windows Live
>> >> > >> Local at http://tinyurl.com/lw7uy . This
>> one
>> >> > shows
>>
> === message truncated ===
>
>
>
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