--- "Lowell G. McManus" <
lgm@...> wrote:
> Your and my estimations of the tripoint location are
> quite close. What
> makes you think, though, that this is on a "fairly
> steep gradient," when
> the darkness in both photos shows the presence of
> water--especially when
> compared with the photo when the area was dry?
yes it is reassuring to know our guesses are this
close
at least horizontally
but my reading of the satpic
combined with what i have seen of surface photos of
the neighborhood
is that all homogeneously colored areas are relatively
flat
whether they be white or dark or beige
while areas of variegated colors beside & between &
among all these flats must indicate a variety of
gradients
also i think it is clear from a comparison of encarta
& google that the lowest & wettest areas are the white
ones
& not necessarily the dark ones
but i draw no hard conclusions about standing water
even tho the best available map shows none anywhere
within 5 km of the tripoint
& it is my impression that this entire region is
trending drier rather than wetter
it is perspective that creates perception
& i realize your perspective is just wetter than mine
in this case
> I
> perceive it as a wet
> flat of combined mud and salt, with the darkest
> areas being shallow
> standing salt water. I take your arrowhead and the
> other scarifications
> to be the vestiges of flood flows that washed down
> from the steeps and
> deposited their sedimentary load in weird patterns
> in what was standing
> water at the time, but that rise a few mucky inches
> above the water at
> the level depicted. Your arrowhead seems to me a
> delta.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
> reportedly undelineated &
> definitely elusive
>
>
> > or better yet
> > since the google satpic ultimately gives much more
> > detailed topo isography than the encarta map
> > provided it is aimed & centered correctly
> > as it is here to the best of my & its combined
> ability
> >
> >
>
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&om=1&z=14&ll=41.317206,55.994568&spn=0.031588,0.058708&t=h
> > i would now go so far as to make kztmuz somewhere
> very
> > near the tip of the distinctive symmetrical
> arrowhead
> > cum needle tip centered there
> > when zoomed all the way in
> >
> > & thus very likely on at least fairly steep
> gradient
> >
> > clear & credible down to fairly narrow parameters
> but
> > still only so far
> > admittedly
> >
> > but how does that compare with the position
> predicted
> > or indicated by your restricted source
> >
> > --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:
> >
> >> but it is clear as well as credible
> >> when i zoom encarta all the way in for topography
> &
> >> boundaries
> >>
> >
>
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=41.399513160184476&TextLongitude=56.029051315699746&TextAltitude=8&TextSelectedEntity=10107400&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=goklenkuyu&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=43.2899541104997%3B59.2412018038095%3B5%3B10107400%3BQoraqalpoghiston+%28autonomous+republic%29%2C+Uzbekistan%3BMedium%3BComprehensive
> >> & compare google for photography
> >>
> >
>
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=10&ll=41.307729,55.994568&spn=0.505475,0.939331&t=h&om=1
> >> that kztmuz is neither atop the plateau nor in
> the
> >> salt lake
> >> but somewhere among the chaotic breaks that lie
> in
> >> between
> >> as for example in these neighborhood views
> >> at top in each case
> >> http://www.stantours.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
> >> http://www.ayan-travel.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
> >>
> >> --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Both of the Live Local links in your reply
> work
> >> > for
> >> > > me. I'm not clear
> >> > > on what you're getting when you go to them.
> >> >
> >> > great
> >> > i still get nothing
> >> > or rather to be perfectly clear i get a blank
> >> white
> >> > screen
> >> > both normally & also when i try to go via my
> >> hotmail
> >> > account
> >> > which for some reason doesnt activate any links
> at
> >> > all
> >> >
> >> > but i am not much for jumping thru hoops anyway
> >> > so cant you just capture & send us whatever it
> is
> >> > you
> >> > are talking about
> >> > or help us out of your predicament some other
> way
> >> >
> >> > but in any case
> >> > whatever you may be seeing there
> >> > please understand i dont think we are talking
> >> about
> >> > a
> >> > salt pan here
> >> > whether wet or dry
> >> > nor any crack or sink
> >> > etymological speculations to the contrary
> >> > nothwithstanding
> >> > but a fairly vertical palisade
> >> > at or near the location of the tripoint
> >> > which thus might fall either beneath or atop or
> >> even
> >> > right on the edge of the plateau
> >> >
> >> > perhaps somewhat like a wall of the llano
> estacado
> >> > but
> >> > only moreso
> >> >
> >> > > Apparently, though, one
> >> > > must be logged in to access Windows Live
> Local.
> >> > > It's free, but you must
> >> > > jump through the hoop. All you need to log
> in
> >> is
> >> > an
> >> > > MSN Hotmail, MSN
> >> > > Messenger, or Microsoft Passport account (all
> of
> >> > > which are free). Any
> >> > > of those can be used as your Windows Live ID
> to
> >> > log
> >> > > in. I have mine set
> >> > > to automatically remember me and log me in
> >> > whenever
> >> > > I go to a site that
> >> > > need it, so I didn't remember that it was
> >> > required.
> >> > >
> >> > > Getting an ID is worth it, because Live Local
> >> has
> >> > > several advantages
> >> > > over Google Earth (which also has a few of
> its
> >> > own).
> >> > > Also, Live Local
> >> > > uses USGS aerial photos in the USA for the
> >> > > close-ups, but they're newer
> >> > > than those at TerraServer, and you can
> >> dynamically
> >> > > pan and zoom them
> >> > > with your mouse (just like you can with the
> >> > > satellite photos on Live
> >> > > Local and Google Earth). That alone is worth
> >> the
> >> > > price of admission!
> >> > >
> >> > > Lowell G. McManus
> >> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
> >> > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 6:22 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
> >> > > reportedly undelineated &
> >> > > definitely elusive
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > sounds interesting but
> >> > > > is this tinyurl working normally
> >> > > >
> >> > > > it quickly redirects my browser to
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=41.619802~54.78123&style=h&lvl=7&scene=1004144
>
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