Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
Date: Sep 04, 2006 @ 20:37
Author: Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated &
definitely elusive
> or better yet
> since the google satpic ultimately gives much more
> detailed topo isography than the encarta map
> provided it is aimed & centered correctly
> as it is here to the best of my & its combined ability
>
> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&om=1&z=14&ll=41.317206,55.994568&spn=0.031588,0.058708&t=h
> i would now go so far as to make kztmuz somewhere very
> near the tip of the distinctive symmetrical arrowhead
> cum needle tip centered there
> when zoomed all the way in
>
> & thus very likely on at least fairly steep gradient
>
> clear & credible down to fairly narrow parameters but
> still only so far
> admittedly
>
> but how does that compare with the position predicted
> or indicated by your restricted source
>
> --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:
>
>> but it is clear as well as credible
>> when i zoom encarta all the way in for topography &
>> boundaries
>>
> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=41.399513160184476&TextLongitude=56.029051315699746&TextAltitude=8&TextSelectedEntity=10107400&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=goklenkuyu&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=43.2899541104997%3B59.2412018038095%3B5%3B10107400%3BQoraqalpoghiston+%28autonomous+republic%29%2C+Uzbekistan%3BMedium%3BComprehensive
>> & compare google for photography
>>
> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=10&ll=41.307729,55.994568&spn=0.505475,0.939331&t=h&om=1
>> that kztmuz is neither atop the plateau nor in the
>> salt lake
>> but somewhere among the chaotic breaks that lie in
>> between
>> as for example in these neighborhood views
>> at top in each case
>> http://www.stantours.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
>> http://www.ayan-travel.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
>>
>> --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:
>>
>> > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Both of the Live Local links in your reply work
>> > for
>> > > me. I'm not clear
>> > > on what you're getting when you go to them.
>> >
>> > great
>> > i still get nothing
>> > or rather to be perfectly clear i get a blank
>> white
>> > screen
>> > both normally & also when i try to go via my
>> hotmail
>> > account
>> > which for some reason doesnt activate any links at
>> > all
>> >
>> > but i am not much for jumping thru hoops anyway
>> > so cant you just capture & send us whatever it is
>> > you
>> > are talking about
>> > or help us out of your predicament some other way
>> >
>> > but in any case
>> > whatever you may be seeing there
>> > please understand i dont think we are talking
>> about
>> > a
>> > salt pan here
>> > whether wet or dry
>> > nor any crack or sink
>> > etymological speculations to the contrary
>> > nothwithstanding
>> > but a fairly vertical palisade
>> > at or near the location of the tripoint
>> > which thus might fall either beneath or atop or
>> even
>> > right on the edge of the plateau
>> >
>> > perhaps somewhat like a wall of the llano estacado
>> > but
>> > only moreso
>> >
>> > > Apparently, though, one
>> > > must be logged in to access Windows Live Local.
>> > > It's free, but you must
>> > > jump through the hoop. All you need to log in
>> is
>> > an
>> > > MSN Hotmail, MSN
>> > > Messenger, or Microsoft Passport account (all of
>> > > which are free). Any
>> > > of those can be used as your Windows Live ID to
>> > log
>> > > in. I have mine set
>> > > to automatically remember me and log me in
>> > whenever
>> > > I go to a site that
>> > > need it, so I didn't remember that it was
>> > required.
>> > >
>> > > Getting an ID is worth it, because Live Local
>> has
>> > > several advantages
>> > > over Google Earth (which also has a few of its
>> > own).
>> > > Also, Live Local
>> > > uses USGS aerial photos in the USA for the
>> > > close-ups, but they're newer
>> > > than those at TerraServer, and you can
>> dynamically
>> > > pan and zoom them
>> > > with your mouse (just like you can with the
>> > > satellite photos on Live
>> > > Local and Google Earth). That alone is worth
>> the
>> > > price of admission!
>> > >
>> > > Lowell G. McManus
>> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
>> > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
>> > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 6:22 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> > > reportedly undelineated &
>> > > definitely elusive
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > sounds interesting but
>> > > > is this tinyurl working normally
>> > > >
>> > > > it quickly redirects my browser to
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
> http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=41.619802~54.78123&style=h&lvl=7&scene=1004144
>> > > > but this page then does nothing
>> > > > just like its main page also does
>> > > > http://local.live.com/
>> > > > so maybe that whole site or function is down
>> > > > whatever it may be or mean
>> > > >
>> > > > the tinyurl site itself seems to be working
>> fine
>> > > >
>> > > > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> There's a different NASA satellite view of
>> the
>> > > >> tripoint on Windows Live
>> > > >> Local at http://tinyurl.com/lw7uy . This one
>> > > shows
>> > > >> depression along the
>> > > >> Chink Kaplankyr without water. The
>> boundaries
>> > > are
>> > > >> better shown and
>> > > >> perhaps more precise than on Google Earth.
>> If
>> > > you
>> > > >> keep zooming in, the
>> > > >> satellite image changes to one from Harris
>> > > >> Corp./Earthstar Geographics
>> > > >> that shows the Chink Kaplankyr in a wetter
>> > > >> condition.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Lowell G. McManus
>> > > >> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
>> > > >> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
>> > > >> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:16 PM
>> > > >> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> > > >> reportedly undelineated &
>> > > >> definitely elusive
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > not sure about the etymology nor the degree
>> > of
>> > > >> > generality
>> > > >> > but chink is evidently at least the local
>> > > probably
>> > > >> > kazak or russian name for any edge of this
>> > > crumbly
>> > > >> > ustyurt plateau of which this kaplankyr
>> spur
>> > is
>> > > a
>> > > >> part
>> > > >> > & the word is sometimes translated as
>> > > >> > abrupt seashore
>> > > >> > or abrupt border
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > here is a picture of a nearby but probably
>> > > >> different
>> > > >> > chink
>> > > >> > with a resident skink i think
>> > > >> > http://www.atyrau-city.kz/KCS/Book1/012.jpg
>> > > >> > or perhaps it is the same chink but a
>> > different
>> > > >> spur
>> > > >> > named mangystau in this case
>> > > >> > but in any case a few hundred km to the
>> > > northwest
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> > kztmuz
>> > > >> > & in fact at the opposite shoulder of the
>> > same
>> > > >> plateau
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=39.45&TextLongitude=-98.907&TextAltitude=0&TextSelectedEntity=39070&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=mangystau&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on
>> > > >> >
>>
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