Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
Date: Sep 04, 2006 @ 20:59
Author: aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
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> I agree that there is quite an escarpment there, andif you will survey the usages of chink say in this
> the name Chink
> Kaplankyr might well refer to it rather than the
> depression at its foot
> in which the intermittent lake is located.
> Your Encarta map linked below clearly shows thethere was or is no question about the elevation in
> below-sea-level
> depressions, numerous intermittent streamcourses
> flowing into them, and
> some water in the one near the tripoint. It also
> shows the tripoint as
> being below sea level. (Check the Encarta legend
> for the meaning of
> that darkest green.)
> Now, if you'll go to the Google Maps image linked inyour position may or may not be characteristically wet
> your message below
> and zoom out, you will see that the tripoint
> depression and its narrow
> southeastern neighbor have some water and some salt
> flats, as do the
> Kara-Bogaz Gol (Garabogazköl), which is naturally
> poldered off from the
> Caspian Sea to the west and the Sarygamysh Köli
> (Ozera Sarygamysh) to
> the northeast. The tripoint seems to be wet at the
> time of this
> snapshot from space. The lake in the tripoint
> depression varies in size
> over time.
> In the attached 1.jpg, you will see that thehttp://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=41.399513160184476&TextLongitude=56.029051315699746&TextAltitude=8&TextSelectedEntity=10107400&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=goklenkuyu&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=43.2899541104997%3B59.2412018038095%3B5%3B10107400%3BQoraqalpoghiston+%28autonomous+republic%29%2C+Uzbekistan%3BMedium%3BComprehensive
> tripoint depression and its
> narrow southeastern neighbor are dry--all salt and
> no water. In the
> wetter close-up 2.jpg attached, the very point of
> the pushpin indicates
> the location of the tripoint according to all of
> these various mapping
> services. The escarpment and its associated talus
> are clearly visible
> on the northern rim of the depression, but the
> tripoint is well down in
> the dark ooze.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
> reportedly undelineated &
> definitely elusive
>
>
> > but it is clear as well as credible
> > when i zoom encarta all the way in for topography
> &
> > boundaries
> >
>
> > & compare google for photographyhttp://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=10&ll=41.307729,55.994568&spn=0.505475,0.939331&t=h&om=1
> >
>
> > that kztmuz is neither atop the plateau nor in thehttp://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=41.619802~54.78123&style=h&lvl=7&scene=1004144
> > salt lake
> > but somewhere among the chaotic breaks that lie in
> > between
> > as for example in these neighborhood views
> > at top in each case
> > http://www.stantours.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
> > http://www.ayan-travel.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
> >
> > --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:
> >
> >> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Both of the Live Local links in your reply work
> >> for
> >> > me. I'm not clear
> >> > on what you're getting when you go to them.
> >>
> >> great
> >> i still get nothing
> >> or rather to be perfectly clear i get a blank
> white
> >> screen
> >> both normally & also when i try to go via my
> hotmail
> >> account
> >> which for some reason doesnt activate any links
> at
> >> all
> >>
> >> but i am not much for jumping thru hoops anyway
> >> so cant you just capture & send us whatever it is
> >> you
> >> are talking about
> >> or help us out of your predicament some other way
> >>
> >> but in any case
> >> whatever you may be seeing there
> >> please understand i dont think we are talking
> about
> >> a
> >> salt pan here
> >> whether wet or dry
> >> nor any crack or sink
> >> etymological speculations to the contrary
> >> nothwithstanding
> >> but a fairly vertical palisade
> >> at or near the location of the tripoint
> >> which thus might fall either beneath or atop or
> even
> >> right on the edge of the plateau
> >>
> >> perhaps somewhat like a wall of the llano
> estacado
> >> but
> >> only moreso
> >>
> >> > Apparently, though, one
> >> > must be logged in to access Windows Live Local.
> >> > It's free, but you must
> >> > jump through the hoop. All you need to log in
> is
> >> an
> >> > MSN Hotmail, MSN
> >> > Messenger, or Microsoft Passport account (all
> of
> >> > which are free). Any
> >> > of those can be used as your Windows Live ID to
> >> log
> >> > in. I have mine set
> >> > to automatically remember me and log me in
> >> whenever
> >> > I go to a site that
> >> > need it, so I didn't remember that it was
> >> required.
> >> >
> >> > Getting an ID is worth it, because Live Local
> has
> >> > several advantages
> >> > over Google Earth (which also has a few of its
> >> own).
> >> > Also, Live Local
> >> > uses USGS aerial photos in the USA for the
> >> > close-ups, but they're newer
> >> > than those at TerraServer, and you can
> dynamically
> >> > pan and zoom them
> >> > with your mouse (just like you can with the
> >> > satellite photos on Live
> >> > Local and Google Earth). That alone is worth
> the
> >> > price of admission!
> >> >
> >> > Lowell G. McManus
> >> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
> >> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 6:22 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
> >> > reportedly undelineated &
> >> > definitely elusive
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > sounds interesting but
> >> > > is this tinyurl working normally
> >> > >
> >> > > it quickly redirects my browser to
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
> >> > > but this page then does nothing=== message truncated ===
> >> > > just like its main page also does
> >> > > http://local.live.com/
> >> > > so maybe that whole site or function is down
> >> > > whatever it may be or mean
> >> > >
> >> > > the tinyurl site itself seems to be working
> fine
> >> > >
> >> > > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> There's a different NASA satellite view of
> the
> >> > >> tripoint on Windows Live
> >> > >> Local at http://tinyurl.com/lw7uy . This
> one
> >> > shows
>