I agree that there is quite an escarpment there, and the name Chink
Kaplankyr might well refer to it rather than the depression at its foot
in which the intermittent lake is located.
Your Encarta map linked below clearly shows the below-sea-level
depressions, numerous intermittent streamcourses flowing into them, and
some water in the one near the tripoint. It also shows the tripoint as
being below sea level. (Check the Encarta legend for the meaning of
that darkest green.)
Now, if you'll go to the Google Maps image linked in your message below
and zoom out, you will see that the tripoint depression and its narrow
southeastern neighbor have some water and some salt flats, as do the
Kara-Bogaz Gol (Garabogazköl), which is naturally poldered off from the
Caspian Sea to the west and the Sarygamysh Köli (Ozera Sarygamysh) to
the northeast. The tripoint seems to be wet at the time of this
snapshot from space. The lake in the tripoint depression varies in size
over time.
In the attached 1.jpg, you will see that the tripoint depression and its
narrow southeastern neighbor are dry--all salt and no water. In the
wetter close-up 2.jpg attached, the very point of the pushpin indicates
the location of the tripoint according to all of these various mapping
services. The escarpment and its associated talus are clearly visible
on the northern rim of the depression, but the tripoint is well down in
the dark ooze.
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@yahoo.com>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated &
definitely elusive
> but it is clear as well as credible
> when i zoom encarta all the way in for topography &
> boundaries
> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=41.399513160184476&TextLongitude=56.029051315699746&TextAltitude=8&TextSelectedEntity=10107400&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=goklenkuyu&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=43.2899541104997%3B59.2412018038095%3B5%3B10107400%3BQoraqalpoghiston+%28autonomous+republic%29%2C+Uzbekistan%3BMedium%3BComprehensive
> & compare google for photography
> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=10&ll=41.307729,55.994568&spn=0.505475,0.939331&t=h&om=1
> that kztmuz is neither atop the plateau nor in the
> salt lake
> but somewhere among the chaotic breaks that lie in
> between
> as for example in these neighborhood views
> at top in each case
> http://www.stantours.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
> http://www.ayan-travel.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
>
> --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@wildblue.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Both of the Live Local links in your reply work
>> for
>> > me. I'm not clear
>> > on what you're getting when you go to them.
>>
>> great
>> i still get nothing
>> or rather to be perfectly clear i get a blank white
>> screen
>> both normally & also when i try to go via my hotmail
>> account
>> which for some reason doesnt activate any links at
>> all
>>
>> but i am not much for jumping thru hoops anyway
>> so cant you just capture & send us whatever it is
>> you
>> are talking about
>> or help us out of your predicament some other way
>>
>> but in any case
>> whatever you may be seeing there
>> please understand i dont think we are talking about
>> a
>> salt pan here
>> whether wet or dry
>> nor any crack or sink
>> etymological speculations to the contrary
>> nothwithstanding
>> but a fairly vertical palisade
>> at or near the location of the tripoint
>> which thus might fall either beneath or atop or even
>> right on the edge of the plateau
>>
>> perhaps somewhat like a wall of the llano estacado
>> but
>> only moreso
>>
>> > Apparently, though, one
>> > must be logged in to access Windows Live Local.
>> > It's free, but you must
>> > jump through the hoop. All you need to log in is
>> an
>> > MSN Hotmail, MSN
>> > Messenger, or Microsoft Passport account (all of
>> > which are free). Any
>> > of those can be used as your Windows Live ID to
>> log
>> > in. I have mine set
>> > to automatically remember me and log me in
>> whenever
>> > I go to a site that
>> > need it, so I didn't remember that it was
>> required.
>> >
>> > Getting an ID is worth it, because Live Local has
>> > several advantages
>> > over Google Earth (which also has a few of its
>> own).
>> > Also, Live Local
>> > uses USGS aerial photos in the USA for the
>> > close-ups, but they're newer
>> > than those at TerraServer, and you can dynamically
>> > pan and zoom them
>> > with your mouse (just like you can with the
>> > satellite photos on Live
>> > Local and Google Earth). That alone is worth the
>> > price of admission!
>> >
>> > Lowell G. McManus
>> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@yahoo.com>
>> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 6:22 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> > reportedly undelineated &
>> > definitely elusive
>> >
>> >
>> > > sounds interesting but
>> > > is this tinyurl working normally
>> > >
>> > > it quickly redirects my browser to
>> > >
>> >
>>
> http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=41.619802~54.78123&style=h&lvl=7&scene=1004144
>> > > but this page then does nothing
>> > > just like its main page also does
>> > > http://local.live.com/
>> > > so maybe that whole site or function is down
>> > > whatever it may be or mean
>> > >
>> > > the tinyurl site itself seems to be working fine
>> > >
>> > > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@wildblue.net>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> There's a different NASA satellite view of the
>> > >> tripoint on Windows Live
>> > >> Local at http://tinyurl.com/lw7uy . This one
>> > shows
>> > >> depression along the
>> > >> Chink Kaplankyr without water. The boundaries
>> > are
>> > >> better shown and
>> > >> perhaps more precise than on Google Earth. If
>> > you
>> > >> keep zooming in, the
>> > >> satellite image changes to one from Harris
>> > >> Corp./Earthstar Geographics
>> > >> that shows the Chink Kaplankyr in a wetter
>> > >> condition.
>> > >>
>> > >> Lowell G. McManus
>> > >> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@yahoo.com>
>> > >> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
>> > >> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:16 PM
>> > >> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> > >> reportedly undelineated &
>> > >> definitely elusive
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> > not sure about the etymology nor the degree
>> of
>> > >> > generality
>> > >> > but chink is evidently at least the local
>> > probably
>> > >> > kazak or russian name for any edge of this
>> > crumbly
>> > >> > ustyurt plateau of which this kaplankyr spur
>> is
>> > a
>> > >> part
>> > >> > & the word is sometimes translated as
>> > >> > abrupt seashore
>> > >> > or abrupt border
>> > >> >
>> > >> > here is a picture of a nearby but probably
>> > >> different
>> > >> > chink
>> > >> > with a resident skink i think
>> > >> > http://www.atyrau-city.kz/KCS/Book1/012.jpg
>> > >> > or perhaps it is the same chink but a
>> different
>> > >> spur
>> > >> > named mangystau in this case
>> > >> > but in any case a few hundred km to the
>> > northwest
>> > >> of
>> > >> > kztmuz
>> > >> > & in fact at the opposite shoulder of the
>> same
>> > >> plateau
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>>
> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=39.45&TextLongitude=-98.907&TextAltitude=0&TextSelectedEntity=39070&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=mangystau&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on
>> > >> >
>> > >> > what astonished or perhaps rather amused me
>> so
>> > >> much
>> > >> > about this claim of a nondelineated tripoint
>> > was
>> > >> > first
>> > >> > tripoints arent supposed to be delineated
>> > because
>> > >> they
>> > >> > arent linear
>> > >> > & second
>> > >> > this particular one appears to lie at the
>> > >> convergence
>> > >> > of 3 perfectly geodetic border line segments
>> > >> > all of them seemingly very clearly delimited
>> > since
>> > >> > soviet times & now reportedly fully
>> delineated
>> > if
>> > >> not
>> > >> > also demarcated
>> > >> >
>> > >> > but now that you mention it
>> > >> > crumbly vertical ground can present a special
>> > >> problem
>> > >> > for monumentation
>> > >> > & perhaps it is only this that our possibly
>> > >> > misinformed or careless informant had in mind
>> > >> > if anything
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@wildblue.net>
>> > wrote:
>>
> === message truncated ===
>
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