or better yet
since the google satpic ultimately gives much more
detailed topo isography than the encarta map
provided it is aimed & centered correctly
as it is here to the best of my & its combined ability

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&om=1&z=14&ll=41.317206,55.994568&spn=0.031588,0.058708&t=h
i would now go so far as to make kztmuz somewhere very
near the tip of the distinctive symmetrical arrowhead
cum needle tip centered there
when zoomed all the way in

& thus very likely on at least fairly steep gradient

clear & credible down to fairly narrow parameters but
still only so far
admittedly

but how does that compare with the position predicted
or indicated by your restricted source

--- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:

> but it is clear as well as credible
> when i zoom encarta all the way in for topography &
> boundaries
>

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=41.399513160184476&TextLongitude=56.029051315699746&TextAltitude=8&TextSelectedEntity=10107400&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=goklenkuyu&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=43.2899541104997%3B59.2412018038095%3B5%3B10107400%3BQoraqalpoghiston+%28autonomous+republic%29%2C+Uzbekistan%3BMedium%3BComprehensive

> & compare google for photography
>

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=10&ll=41.307729,55.994568&spn=0.505475,0.939331&t=h&om=1

> that kztmuz is neither atop the plateau nor in the
> salt lake
> but somewhere among the chaotic breaks that lie in
> between
> as for example in these neighborhood views
> at top in each case
> http://www.stantours.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
> http://www.ayan-travel.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
>
> --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:
>
> > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Both of the Live Local links in your reply work
> > for
> > > me. I'm not clear
> > > on what you're getting when you go to them.
> >
> > great
> > i still get nothing
> > or rather to be perfectly clear i get a blank
> white
> > screen
> > both normally & also when i try to go via my
> hotmail
> > account
> > which for some reason doesnt activate any links at
> > all
> >
> > but i am not much for jumping thru hoops anyway
> > so cant you just capture & send us whatever it is
> > you
> > are talking about
> > or help us out of your predicament some other way
> >
> > but in any case
> > whatever you may be seeing there
> > please understand i dont think we are talking
> about
> > a
> > salt pan here
> > whether wet or dry
> > nor any crack or sink
> > etymological speculations to the contrary
> > nothwithstanding
> > but a fairly vertical palisade
> > at or near the location of the tripoint
> > which thus might fall either beneath or atop or
> even
> > right on the edge of the plateau
> >
> > perhaps somewhat like a wall of the llano estacado
> > but
> > only moreso
> >
> > > Apparently, though, one
> > > must be logged in to access Windows Live Local.
> > > It's free, but you must
> > > jump through the hoop. All you need to log in
> is
> > an
> > > MSN Hotmail, MSN
> > > Messenger, or Microsoft Passport account (all of
> > > which are free). Any
> > > of those can be used as your Windows Live ID to
> > log
> > > in. I have mine set
> > > to automatically remember me and log me in
> > whenever
> > > I go to a site that
> > > need it, so I didn't remember that it was
> > required.
> > >
> > > Getting an ID is worth it, because Live Local
> has
> > > several advantages
> > > over Google Earth (which also has a few of its
> > own).
> > > Also, Live Local
> > > uses USGS aerial photos in the USA for the
> > > close-ups, but they're newer
> > > than those at TerraServer, and you can
> dynamically
> > > pan and zoom them
> > > with your mouse (just like you can with the
> > > satellite photos on Live
> > > Local and Google Earth). That alone is worth
> the
> > > price of admission!
> > >
> > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
> > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 6:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
> > > reportedly undelineated &
> > > definitely elusive
> > >
> > >
> > > > sounds interesting but
> > > > is this tinyurl working normally
> > > >
> > > > it quickly redirects my browser to
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=41.619802~54.78123&style=h&lvl=7&scene=1004144

> > > > but this page then does nothing
> > > > just like its main page also does
> > > > http://local.live.com/
> > > > so maybe that whole site or function is down
> > > > whatever it may be or mean
> > > >
> > > > the tinyurl site itself seems to be working
> fine
> > > >
> > > > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> There's a different NASA satellite view of
> the
> > > >> tripoint on Windows Live
> > > >> Local at http://tinyurl.com/lw7uy . This one
> > > shows
> > > >> depression along the
> > > >> Chink Kaplankyr without water. The
> boundaries
> > > are
> > > >> better shown and
> > > >> perhaps more precise than on Google Earth.
> If
> > > you
> > > >> keep zooming in, the
> > > >> satellite image changes to one from Harris
> > > >> Corp./Earthstar Geographics
> > > >> that shows the Chink Kaplankyr in a wetter
> > > >> condition.
> > > >>
> > > >> Lowell G. McManus
> > > >> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
> > > >> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:16 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
> > > >> reportedly undelineated &
> > > >> definitely elusive
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > not sure about the etymology nor the degree
> > of
> > > >> > generality
> > > >> > but chink is evidently at least the local
> > > probably
> > > >> > kazak or russian name for any edge of this
> > > crumbly
> > > >> > ustyurt plateau of which this kaplankyr
> spur
> > is
> > > a
> > > >> part
> > > >> > & the word is sometimes translated as
> > > >> > abrupt seashore
> > > >> > or abrupt border
> > > >> >
> > > >> > here is a picture of a nearby but probably
> > > >> different
> > > >> > chink
> > > >> > with a resident skink i think
> > > >> > http://www.atyrau-city.kz/KCS/Book1/012.jpg
> > > >> > or perhaps it is the same chink but a
> > different
> > > >> spur
> > > >> > named mangystau in this case
> > > >> > but in any case a few hundred km to the
> > > northwest
> > > >> of
> > > >> > kztmuz
> > > >> > & in fact at the opposite shoulder of the
> > same
> > > >> plateau
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=39.45&TextLongitude=-98.907&TextAltitude=0&TextSelectedEntity=39070&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=mangystau&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on

> > > >> >
>

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