Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
Date: Sep 04, 2006 @ 00:56
Author: Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated &
definitely elusive
> sounds interesting but
> is this tinyurl working normally
>
> it quickly redirects my browser to
> http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=41.619802~54.78123&style=h&lvl=7&scene=1004144
> but this page then does nothing
> just like its main page also does
> http://local.live.com/
> so maybe that whole site or function is down
> whatever it may be or mean
>
> the tinyurl site itself seems to be working fine
>
> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
>
>> There's a different NASA satellite view of the
>> tripoint on Windows Live
>> Local at http://tinyurl.com/lw7uy . This one shows
>> depression along the
>> Chink Kaplankyr without water. The boundaries are
>> better shown and
>> perhaps more precise than on Google Earth. If you
>> keep zooming in, the
>> satellite image changes to one from Harris
>> Corp./Earthstar Geographics
>> that shows the Chink Kaplankyr in a wetter
>> condition.
>>
>> Lowell G. McManus
>> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
>> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> reportedly undelineated &
>> definitely elusive
>>
>>
>> > not sure about the etymology nor the degree of
>> > generality
>> > but chink is evidently at least the local probably
>> > kazak or russian name for any edge of this crumbly
>> > ustyurt plateau of which this kaplankyr spur is a
>> part
>> > & the word is sometimes translated as
>> > abrupt seashore
>> > or abrupt border
>> >
>> > here is a picture of a nearby but probably
>> different
>> > chink
>> > with a resident skink i think
>> > http://www.atyrau-city.kz/KCS/Book1/012.jpg
>> > or perhaps it is the same chink but a different
>> spur
>> > named mangystau in this case
>> > but in any case a few hundred km to the northwest
>> of
>> > kztmuz
>> > & in fact at the opposite shoulder of the same
>> plateau
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=39.45&TextLongitude=-98.907&TextAltitude=0&TextSelectedEntity=39070&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=mangystau&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on
>> >
>> > what astonished or perhaps rather amused me so
>> much
>> > about this claim of a nondelineated tripoint was
>> > first
>> > tripoints arent supposed to be delineated because
>> they
>> > arent linear
>> > & second
>> > this particular one appears to lie at the
>> convergence
>> > of 3 perfectly geodetic border line segments
>> > all of them seemingly very clearly delimited since
>> > soviet times & now reportedly fully delineated if
>> not
>> > also demarcated
>> >
>> > but now that you mention it
>> > crumbly vertical ground can present a special
>> problem
>> > for monumentation
>> > & perhaps it is only this that our possibly
>> > misinformed or careless informant had in mind
>> > if anything
>> >
>> > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Exactly. The NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC ATLAS OF THE
>> WORLD
>> >> shows this and the other similar oblong area to
>> the
>> >> southeast as a basin below sea level called
>> "Chink
>> >> Kaplankyr." I suspect that "Chink" might be
>> cognate
>> >> with the English "chink" (crack) or "sink" (low
>> >> area) via some common Proto-Indo-European etymon.
>> >>
>> >> Lowell G. McManus
>> >> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase
>> >> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>> >> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 7:56 AM
>> >> Subject: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> >> reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> What do you make of this
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://maps.google.com/?ll=41.307729,55.994568&spn=0.089619,0.159645&t=k
>> >> ? saltlake perhaps?
>> >>
>> >> That could explain why it's hard to delimit the
>> >> place and perhaps even mark it.
>> >>
>> >> Jesper
>> >> --
>> >> Borderbase - your online guide to international
>> >> borders and tripoints
>> >> http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>> >> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne
>> af
>> >> aletheia kallos
>> >> Sendt: 31. august 2006 15:23
>> >> Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>> >> Emne: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> reportedly
>> >> undelineated & definitely elusive
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/08/295991D6-AB19-4C80-93B4-A5859F110120.html
>> >> but what could this mean
>> >> for kzuz is reportedly fully delimited & likely
>> >> even
>> >> marked by now per
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/11250
>> >> while on tmuz all border questions were
>> reportedly
>> >> settled years ago
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://www.newscentralasia.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=638
>> >> & demarcation is supposedly well under way
>> there
>> >> too
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://www.newscentralasia.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1059
>> >>
>> >> reference map
>> >> http://www.dntours.com/map.htm
>> >> from
>> >> http://www.dntours.com/dashoguz/kaplankyr.htm
>> >>
>> >> kztmuz is in the chink kaplankyr
>> >> which is the southernmost spur of the ustyurt
>> >> plateau
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=38.3893924187585&TextLongitude=39.4382328526111&TextAltitude=8&TextSelectedEntity=9241499&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=ustyurt&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=38.3893924187585%3B39.4382328526111%3B8%3B9241499%3BHazar+%5BKavak%5D%2C+Elaz??%2C+Turkey%3BMedium%3BComprehensive
>> >>
>> >> the best if not the only known tour of the area
>> >> http://stantours.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
>> >> gets to within 100 km of the target
>> >> at chagyl & kyzyl kaya or gyzylgaya on day 3
>> >> & again at lake sarakamysh & kaplankyr national
>> >> park
>> >> on day 7
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://enrin.grida.no/biodiv/biodiv/national/turkmen/htmfiles/mapres.htm
>> >
>> >
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