--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:

>
> but i think where it may really have been from
> is this true primer
> of the extraordinary preconception & gestation of
> mbmnon
> http://www.profsurv.com/archive.php?issue=92&article=1292
>
> btw can anyone figure out or find the mentioned page
> 14
>
>
> but anyway
> is this newly monumented position truly mbmnon aka mnn
> or not

er

not

for a more careful reading of the article has persuaded me that they werent marking this
great tripoint & northwest angle extremity at all
but rather only a point derived from it
whose greatest claims to fame are just as mbse
aka the southeasternmost point of manitoba
& what might be called 49cause
or the east end of the 49th parallel sector of caus

& in fact this is not a multipoint of any known kind

oops

& so no matter that i cant reconcile it with anything

> astonishingly
> i cant at all reconcile their coords with either
> bus&ss or topozone
> http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?

z=15&n=5472266&e=343874&s=500&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG250

> which themselves also disagree hugely btw
>
>
> but of course even if this new gps position was
> somehow legally the true tripoint in 1872
> & even if it somehow becomes retroactively recognized
> as such now
> still manitoba wasnt born or cornered there til 1889
>
> what fun
>
> can anyone elucidate further
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, aletheia kallos
> <aletheiak@> wrote:
> >
> > if youre asking then i can tell you it was from the
> > grand forks herald
> >
> http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/15155717.htm
> >
> > but as usual the relevant mbmnon tripoint is not
> > mentioned
> >
> > recent refresher if you need it
> >
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/19491
> >
> > --- Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@> wrote:
> >
> > > Not sure where this was from, but it was posted
> > > today to a maps list.
> > > Brendan
> > >
> > >
> > > >ANGLE INLET: Ben got a bonus
> > > >Franklin locked up Minnesota's northern 'bump'
> > > thanks to a British gaffe
> > > >By Ryan Bakken
> > > >Herald Staff Writer
> > > >
> > > >That bump on the top of Minnesota map that makes
> > > the Northwest Angle the
> > > >property of the United States?
> > > >
> > > >You can thank Benjamin Franklin.
> > > >
> > > >At 11:30 a.m. Thursday, the early American
> > > statesman will receive credit
> > > >when a marker will be placed at the Angle Inlet
> > > School. The dedication
> > > >will be part of the annual Lake of the Woods
> > > Blueberry Festival at the
> > > >Angle, a popular destination of sports
> enthusiasts.
> > > >
> > > >The marker is the work of the Friends of
> Franklin,
> > > an international
> > > >society that is holding events worldwide to mark
> > > Franklin's 300th
> > > >birthday this year. The organization promotes the
> > > study and scholarship
> > > >of Franklin, who was a scientist, inventor and
> > > philosopher as well as a
> > > >statesman.
> > > >
> > > >Running the Northwest Angle ceremony is George
> > > Waters, a Friend of
> > > >Franklin who lives in Rochester, Minn. Attendees
> > > will include Lt. Gov.
> > > >Carol Molnau and officials of the Minnesota
> > > Historical Society.
> > > >
> > > >"It's time to get word out about Franklin's
> > > contribution to the Midwest
> > > >and focus on that crazy bump," Waters said.
> > > >
> > > >A historic oversight
> > > >
> > > >The border protuberance that creates the
> Northwest
> > > Angle and Islands
> > > >rises above the 49th parallel, the standard
> border
> > > marker. It makes the
> > > >area the most northern part of the contiguous 48
> > > states.
> > > >
> > > >The bulge and the inclusion of almost one-third
> of
> > > Minnesota's land mass
> > > >was the result of a mistake.
> > > >
> > > >The mistake happened during negotiations of the
> > > 1783 Treaty of Paris,
> > > >which ended the Revolutionary War. Franklin
> > > insisted that the border
> > > >between the United States and Canada would be the
> > > "most northernmost
> > > >point" of the Lake of the Woods through the
> > > Boundary Waters to Lake
> > > >Superior.
> > > >
> > > >The British cartographer wrongly believed the
> Lake
> > > of the Woods led
> > > >directly into Lake Superior by way of the Pigeon
> > > River. The true
> > > >"headwaters" of Lake Superior is the St. Louis
> > > River farther to the south.
> > > >
> > > >A bounty of riches
> > > >
> > > >The mistake meant that U.S. land extended to what
> > > is now known as the
> > > >Arrowhead Region. The region includes the Mesabi
> > > and Vermilion iron
> > > >ranges that were important to the nation's
> > > industrialization. It also
> > > >includes tourist areas such as Northwest Angle,
> > > pine forests and the
> > > >valuable waterfront property along Lake
> Superior's
> > > North Shore.
> > > >
> > > >"A few years later, the British realized they had
> > > made a terrible
> > > >mistake," Waters said. "After the War of 1812,
> they
> > > tried to get the
> > > >Arrowhead land back. They fussed around, but
> > > Franklin had enough
> > > >prestige and legacy that they left it as it was."
> > > >
> > > >Waters said most historians believe that Franklin
> > > knew that Lake of the
> > > >Woods flows north into Hudson Bay, not Lake
> > > Superior. But, with the
> > > >large area of land involved and the popular fur
> > > trade at the time, he
> > > >didn't share that knowledge with the British.
> > > >
> > > >"So many of things about him are so fascinating,"
> > > Waters said.
> > > >Bakken reports on local news and writes a column.
> > > Reach him at 780-1125,
> > > >(800) 477-6572 ext. 125 or rbakken@
>
>
>
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