Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] somaliland puntland thaw advances a breakaway tripoint but where exactly
Date: Dec 10, 2005 @ 21:10
Author: aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
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with the help of this better map
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/djibouti_1968.jpg
i have now managed to whittle the guess down to about
n8d22m x e46d04m
& thus now more like a single square mile window
situated more like 25km wnw on etso from buuhoodle
which is written bohotleh here

& now only time can tell the rest of the story

--- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:

> tho the territorial outcome is still unclear
> nevertheless complete prisoner exchanges between
> somaliland & puntland in the past week
> http://allafrica.com/stories/200512070086.html
> http://allpuntland.com/eng/news_item.asp?NewsID=1934
> likely mark the end of their recent border war over
> the sool & sanaag regions
> & the buuhoodle district of togdheer just to the
> west
> of sool
>
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/somalia_pol02.jpg
> which together comprise the eastern & slightly
> bigger
> half of historic aka british somaliland
>
> this development could greatly simplify the path to
> full somaliland independence from somalia
> within definite borders
> & possibly also tho less likely full puntland
> independence too
> from what would then become a progressively rumpy
> somalia
> as shown here approximately & not at all necessarily
> in its likeliest 3 cuts
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puntland
>
> & there is no mention of a territorial treaty in the
> news perhaps simply because neither of the parties
> is
> considered a sovereign enough country to treat to
> one
> oops
>
> or of one
> or however that is supposed to be said
>
>
> the above cia map as well as the more detailed
>
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/MapCenter/Map.aspx?TextLatitude=8.929399217895616&TextLongitude=47.1670222003982&TextAltitude=8&TextSelectedEntity=216&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Large&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=laascaanood+somalia&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=9.45996909481857%3B47.1670222003982%3B2%3B216%3BSomalia%2C+Africa%3BLarge%3BComprehensive
> indicate the mentioned sool capital las anod as
> laascaanood
>
> so the mentioned party town of ariade or ari adey
> could be adhicadeeye just to its nw on the encarta
> map
> seeing as they do spell so funny around there
>
>
> but the real question for crystal ball gazing
> multipointers becomes
> whether somaliland will remain whole when she
> secedes
> or whether some territory of any of these 3
> contested
> ethnically puntish regions will fall to punt
>
> if somaliland manages to establish independence
> within
> her full formerly british territory
> then her new world class tripoint will fall at the
> point also generally recognized as the easternmost
> of
> ethiopia
> aka ete
> & indeed thats where there used to be an etgbit
> world
> class tripoint
> between 1908 & 1940 i think it was
> both de jure & de facto for at least that long
> & where there was still a world class tripoint
> just as lovely but by some other name til as
> recently
> as 1960
>
>
> it is of course still a huge if tho
> not only because puntland won the war
> but also because it wouldnt be the first territorial
> nibble by punt from the original somaliland
> as you can see in the cia map by the 10x80km bulge
> of
> nugaal into sool just west of garoowe
> which is evidently a postcolonial creation
> as these maps suggest
>
http://www.civicwebs.com/cwvlib/africa/somalia/1951/general_survey/chapter_9.htm#468.
>
> & which are also good btw to see the ethnic
> distributions
>
>
> & the whole world
> but particularly the african union for some strange
> reason
> whose opinion evidently really matters to the
> destiny
> of this prospective somaliland tripoint
> i can tell you
> has extreme fetishes about maintaining all the
> ridiculous old colonial boundary lines in place
> as well as about keeping all presently whole
> countries
> entire as much as possible
>
> & that odd fact alone has been the biggest stumbling
> block to the birth of this tripoint so far
>
> as it probably will continue to be
>
>
> but i have a hunch or maybe only a hope that the
> reason for this sudden outbreak of peace
> above & beyond the fact that somaliland is an
> intrinsically agreeable & peace loving place
> is that
> now that she has shown herself to be a model
> democracy
> & so fully deserving of independence
> some quiet but larger deal has been struck
> & some clear arrangement been made
> & probably not just locally & bilaterally but pan
> somalian or more likely pan african in scope
> or maybe it even happened in dc or turtle bay
> that will provide for somaliland to make good her
> escape from somalia
> if not entire
> then with her primary ethnic constituency whole
> & i should think much relieved by being relieved of
> so
> much of herself & the possibility of future internal
> ethnic strife
> by such a clean & timely cut
>
> & tho i wish i could see rather than only imagine
> what
> they are talking about in section 95 regarding the
> missing illustration 11 here
>
http://www.civicwebs.com/cwvlib/africa/somalia/1951/general_survey/chapter_4.htm#F.
> it is my best but still not very educated guess that
> the flake off line & military front & timely cut
> would
> run along this mentioned somewhat crooked old
> british
> cut line too
> pretty much right down the middle of the colony
> most of which still survives to divide sanaag & sool
> from western somaliland
> & which evidently once reached & would again reach
> ethiopia
> to produce a brand new world class tripoint
> at about nlat8d20m x elong46d10m
> as you can also see or imagine on the nicely gridded
> encarta map about 20km wnw of the etso border town
> of
> buuhoodle
>
> for that is my crude but best guess & frankly hope
> for
> the new breakaway somaliland tripoint at the moment
>
> & it is crude not only because my estimated window
> in
> tens of minutes is pretentiously narrow
> & needs to be refined based on a better map
> but also because i dont really know but only surmise
> &
> wishfully think
> for the sake of elegant simplicity too
> that the buuhoodle district of the eastern togdheer
> region is the part of this region lying only south
> of
> the sool region
> & thus was formerly within western british
> somaliland
> too
>
> so all just nice guess
>
> but there you have my new best guess in any case
> almost together with the morning news rushes
> except it is already just afternoon here on ice
> cream
> hill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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