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Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 3:27 PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] oops was judea & samaria tripoints was re still looking
like an eggzil tripoint border post etc
> apologies & please disregard previous tripoint quest
> request if you havent already
>
>
> for here is a still vaguer yet somehow trustier
> assertion that the boundary between samaria & judea is
> not physically well defined
> but may merely
> be thought of
> hahaha
> as passing some 15 km north of jerusalem
> http://www.unu.edu/unupress/unupbooks/80858e/80858E0l.htm
> in the third paragraph under israel topography
> along with some other persuasive particulars
> which pretty well bust my last best hopes
> based on the previous text i flashed
> of the precise point being on this map
> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/westbank_jericho92.jpg
> say where the main road to jericho descends from
> either mount scopus or al ayzariyah
>
> for i realize the new expert testimony given above
> must place the immediate jmjusa triarea as far north
> as al birah if not also slightly to the east of there
> & thus it implicitly extends or fudges the greater
> jerusalem area at least that far north & east too
> a notion which tho possibly not so surprising
> does nevertheless pretty well end any punctilious
> search for a jerusalem judea samaria tripoint properly
> so called
>
> but it was a nice try while it lasted
> or in case it can be revived
>
> --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:
>
>> here is a vague assertion that the judea samaria
>> line
>> runs generally from jerusalem to the dead sea
>>
> http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_judea_samaria.php
>>
>> so i suppose there is little to no hope of locating
>> a
>> judea & samaria tripoint with jordan
>> at the east end of this supposed line
>> nor even of distinguishing such a tripoint from the
>> already mentioned hdmdwb aka prospective iljopss for
>> that matter
>> which is also situated
>> if a bit less vaguely
>> in the dead sea
>>
>> but the westward judea & samaria tripoint
>> in jerusalem
>> if any
>> could yet prove to be no problem at all
>>
>> yo
>> asher are you still there
>>
>> &
>> is there any chance you could find us a tripoint
>> living or ghost
>> that would answer to the name of jerusalem judea
>> samaria
>> or jmjusa perhaps for short
>>
>> & i dont know where one might even begin to look for
>> it
>> unless there is some historic or actual easternmost
>> projection of jerusalem from which such a dividing
>> line might naturally have sprung forth
>>
>>
>> here is an also interesting philological accounting
>> for the names at least
>> of judea & samaria among others
>> http://www.esek.com/jerusalem/iudaea.html
>> which btw
>> along with commonest usage
>> has led me to deromanize my spelling of judea
>> oops
>>
>> --- aletheiak <aletheiak@...> wrote:
>>
>> > first thanx to lowell for the further elucidations
>> > &
>> > i must correct or rather improve upon myself also
>> > regarding not only eggzil but all 3 prospective
>> > palestinian world class tripoints
>> > as follows
>> >
>> >
>> > to even call eggzil or egilps by these names is of
>> > course way too casual
>> > as well as presumptious
>> > but in any case
>> > the actual subdivisional tripoint it represents is
>> > truly neither egil2eggzil nor egil2egilps
>> > & we are in fact even now just feeling our way to
>> > its technically correct name
>> >
>> > certainly it is egil2 plus something or other
>> xxyyzz
>> > for the actual tripoint constituencies
>> > & since gaza or gz isnt known to be officially
>> > subdivided
>> > & since the convergent district of israel is the
>> > southern or hadarom aka hd
>> > & since the convergent governorate of egypt is
>> > shamal sina or ss
>> > this present resultant tripoint at kerem shalom is
>> > evidently or most likely egil2gzhdss
>> > even as we scribble
>> >
>> >
>> > the situation with the other 2 israel palestine
>> > tripoint hopefuls is far more complicated tho
>> >
>> > for one thing both putative localities still fall
>> > within israeli settlement blocs
>> > as this map shows in solid green
>> > http://www.biu.ac.il/SOC/besa/books/maps/map4.jpg
>> >
>> > in fact if all these solid green areas were to be
>> > annexed to israel
>> > no israel jordan palestine tripoints at all would
>> > emerge
>> >
>> > but on the admittedly very shaky assumptions that
>> > both of these west bank corners are
>> > still recognizable as the 2nd & 3rd ilps tripoints
>> > when palestine has fully emerged
>> > & also that no other palestine tripoints come into
>> > focus in the meantime
>> > then of course they will become simply iljopsn &
>> > iljopss respectively
>> >
>> > but iljops tripoints or iljo2iljops tripoints are
>> > not at all what they are now
>> >
>> >
>> > in this case they are both on iljo2 all right
>> > but
>> > again leaving aside the doubtful question of
>> > palestinian subdivision
>> > the northerly one
>> > since it combines the west bank wb & hazafon hz or
>> > northern district of israel with the
>> > irbid ir province of jordan
>> > is thus most likely iljo2hzirwb
>> > &
>> > the southerly one
>> > since it combines the west bank & hadarom hd or
>> > southern district of israel with the
>> > madaba md province of jordan
>> > is thus most likely iljo2hdmdwb
>> >
>> >
>> > & i suppose you could change wb to js in both
>> cases
>> > as in judaea & samaria
>> > the israeli name for the west bank
>> >
>> > & tho judaea refers to the southern part of the
>> west
>> > bank & samaria the northern
>> > i have never seen a line drawn between them
>> > so happily there is no real need to improvise
>> > separate diglyphs for them or distinguish
>> > between them in the resulting tripoint hexaglyphs
>> > tho i would like to know
>> > just out of curiosity
>> > if anyone knows exactly where to draw the line
>> > between the j&s of js or wb today
>> > & the locations of the 2 judaea & samaria
>> tripoints
>> > that would presumably result
>> > at the borders of jordan & israel proper
>> > respectively
>> >
>> > reference maps
>> >
>>
> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/jordan_pol_2004.jpg
>> >
>>
> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/atlas_middle_east/israel_divisions.jpg
>> >
>>
> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/egypt_admn97.jpg
>> >
>> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
>> > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > all palestinians
>> > > whether from gaza or the west bank
>> > > or even living in israel proper
>> > > or outside all the above
>> > > are palestinian citizens all right
>> > > provided they merely claim to be so
>> > >
>> > > & they sometimes carry palestinian passports too
>>
>> > >
>> > > but some palestinian arabs are israeli citizens
>> > too
>> > >
>> > > & may carry israeli passports too
>> > > for all i know
>> > > yikes
>> > >
>> > > it is not very interesting i assure you
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > but as palestinians
>> > > they are in any case citizens & or passport
>> > holders of an essentially stateless state
>> > > whether they are refugees from it or not
>> > >
>> > > for example
>> > >
>> >
>>
> http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/asylum/ric/documentation/Palestine.htm
>> > >
>> >
>>
> http://www.cyberus.ca/~baker/Pal_passport_recognize.htm
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > but
>> > > all that it is really important to remember
>> > > so far as bp multipointing is concerned
>> > > is
>> > > until gaza or palestine becomes a member state
>> of
>> > the united nations
>> > > eggzil wont actually be legally
>> > > nor by any reasonable consensus
>> > > a world class tricountry tripoint
>> > >
>>
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