apologies & please disregard previous tripoint quest
request if you havent already

for here is a still vaguer yet somehow trustier
assertion that the boundary between samaria & judea is
not physically well defined
but may merely
be thought of
hahaha
as passing some 15 km north of jerusalem
http://www.unu.edu/unupress/unupbooks/80858e/80858E0l.htm
in the third paragraph under israel topography
along with some other persuasive particulars
which pretty well bust my last best hopes
based on the previous text i flashed
of the precise point being on this map
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/westbank_jericho92.jpg
say where the main road to jericho descends from
either mount scopus or al ayzariyah

for i realize the new expert testimony given above
must place the immediate jmjusa triarea as far north
as al birah if not also slightly to the east of there
& thus it implicitly extends or fudges the greater
jerusalem area at least that far north & east too
a notion which tho possibly not so surprising
does nevertheless pretty well end any punctilious
search for a jerusalem judea samaria tripoint properly
so called

but it was a nice try while it lasted
or in case it can be revived

--- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:

> here is a vague assertion that the judea samaria
> line
> runs generally from jerusalem to the dead sea
>

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_judea_samaria.php

>
> so i suppose there is little to no hope of locating
> a
> judea & samaria tripoint with jordan
> at the east end of this supposed line
> nor even of distinguishing such a tripoint from the
> already mentioned hdmdwb aka prospective iljopss for
> that matter
> which is also situated
> if a bit less vaguely
> in the dead sea
>
> but the westward judea & samaria tripoint
> in jerusalem
> if any
> could yet prove to be no problem at all
>
> yo
> asher are you still there
>
> &
> is there any chance you could find us a tripoint
> living or ghost
> that would answer to the name of jerusalem judea
> samaria
> or jmjusa perhaps for short
>
> & i dont know where one might even begin to look for
> it
> unless there is some historic or actual easternmost
> projection of jerusalem from which such a dividing
> line might naturally have sprung forth
>
>
> here is an also interesting philological accounting
> for the names at least
> of judea & samaria among others
> http://www.esek.com/jerusalem/iudaea.html
> which btw
> along with commonest usage
> has led me to deromanize my spelling of judea
> oops
>
> --- aletheiak <aletheiak@...> wrote:
>
> > first thanx to lowell for the further elucidations
> > &
> > i must correct or rather improve upon myself also
> > regarding not only eggzil but all 3 prospective
> > palestinian world class tripoints
> > as follows
> >
> >
> > to even call eggzil or egilps by these names is of
> > course way too casual
> > as well as presumptious
> > but in any case
> > the actual subdivisional tripoint it represents is
> > truly neither egil2eggzil nor egil2egilps
> > & we are in fact even now just feeling our way to
> > its technically correct name
> >
> > certainly it is egil2 plus something or other
> xxyyzz
> > for the actual tripoint constituencies
> > & since gaza or gz isnt known to be officially
> > subdivided
> > & since the convergent district of israel is the
> > southern or hadarom aka hd
> > & since the convergent governorate of egypt is
> > shamal sina or ss
> > this present resultant tripoint at kerem shalom is
> > evidently or most likely egil2gzhdss
> > even as we scribble
> >
> >
> > the situation with the other 2 israel palestine
> > tripoint hopefuls is far more complicated tho
> >
> > for one thing both putative localities still fall
> > within israeli settlement blocs
> > as this map shows in solid green
> > http://www.biu.ac.il/SOC/besa/books/maps/map4.jpg
> >
> > in fact if all these solid green areas were to be
> > annexed to israel
> > no israel jordan palestine tripoints at all would
> > emerge
> >
> > but on the admittedly very shaky assumptions that
> > both of these west bank corners are
> > still recognizable as the 2nd & 3rd ilps tripoints
> > when palestine has fully emerged
> > & also that no other palestine tripoints come into
> > focus in the meantime
> > then of course they will become simply iljopsn &
> > iljopss respectively
> >
> > but iljops tripoints or iljo2iljops tripoints are
> > not at all what they are now
> >
> >
> > in this case they are both on iljo2 all right
> > but
> > again leaving aside the doubtful question of
> > palestinian subdivision
> > the northerly one
> > since it combines the west bank wb & hazafon hz or
> > northern district of israel with the
> > irbid ir province of jordan
> > is thus most likely iljo2hzirwb
> > &
> > the southerly one
> > since it combines the west bank & hadarom hd or
> > southern district of israel with the
> > madaba md province of jordan
> > is thus most likely iljo2hdmdwb
> >
> >
> > & i suppose you could change wb to js in both
> cases
> > as in judaea & samaria
> > the israeli name for the west bank
> >
> > & tho judaea refers to the southern part of the
> west
> > bank & samaria the northern
> > i have never seen a line drawn between them
> > so happily there is no real need to improvise
> > separate diglyphs for them or distinguish
> > between them in the resulting tripoint hexaglyphs
> > tho i would like to know
> > just out of curiosity
> > if anyone knows exactly where to draw the line
> > between the j&s of js or wb today
> > & the locations of the 2 judaea & samaria
> tripoints
> > that would presumably result
> > at the borders of jordan & israel proper
> > respectively
> >
> > reference maps
> >
>

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/jordan_pol_2004.jpg

> >
>

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/atlas_middle_east/israel_divisions.jpg

> >
>

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/egypt_admn97.jpg

> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
> > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > all palestinians
> > > whether from gaza or the west bank
> > > or even living in israel proper
> > > or outside all the above
> > > are palestinian citizens all right
> > > provided they merely claim to be so
> > >
> > > & they sometimes carry palestinian passports too
>
> > >
> > > but some palestinian arabs are israeli citizens
> > too
> > >
> > > & may carry israeli passports too
> > > for all i know
> > > yikes
> > >
> > > it is not very interesting i assure you
> > >
> > >
> > > but as palestinians
> > > they are in any case citizens & or passport
> > holders of an essentially stateless state
> > > whether they are refugees from it or not
> > >
> > > for example
> > >
> >
>

http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/asylum/ric/documentation/Palestine.htm

> > >
> >
>

http://www.cyberus.ca/~baker/Pal_passport_recognize.htm

> > >
> > >
> > > but
> > > all that it is really important to remember
> > > so far as bp multipointing is concerned
> > > is
> > > until gaza or palestine becomes a member state
> of
> > the united nations
> > > eggzil wont actually be legally
> > > nor by any reasonable consensus
> > > a world class tricountry tripoint
> > >
>

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