here is a vague assertion that the judea samaria line
runs generally from jerusalem to the dead sea
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_judea_samaria.php

so i suppose there is little to no hope of locating a
judea & samaria tripoint with jordan
at the east end of this supposed line
nor even of distinguishing such a tripoint from the
already mentioned hdmdwb aka prospective iljopss for
that matter
which is also situated
if a bit less vaguely
in the dead sea

but the westward judea & samaria tripoint
in jerusalem
if any
could yet prove to be no problem at all

yo
asher are you still there

&
is there any chance you could find us a tripoint
living or ghost
that would answer to the name of jerusalem judea
samaria
or jmjusa perhaps for short

& i dont know where one might even begin to look for
it
unless there is some historic or actual easternmost
projection of jerusalem from which such a dividing
line might naturally have sprung forth

here is an also interesting philological accounting
for the names at least
of judea & samaria among others
http://www.esek.com/jerusalem/iudaea.html
which btw
along with commonest usage
has led me to deromanize my spelling of judea
oops

--- aletheiak <aletheiak@...> wrote:

> first thanx to lowell for the further elucidations
> &
> i must correct or rather improve upon myself also
> regarding not only eggzil but all 3 prospective
> palestinian world class tripoints
> as follows
>
>
> to even call eggzil or egilps by these names is of
> course way too casual
> as well as presumptious
> but in any case
> the actual subdivisional tripoint it represents is
> truly neither egil2eggzil nor egil2egilps
> & we are in fact even now just feeling our way to
> its technically correct name
>
> certainly it is egil2 plus something or other xxyyzz
> for the actual tripoint constituencies
> & since gaza or gz isnt known to be officially
> subdivided
> & since the convergent district of israel is the
> southern or hadarom aka hd
> & since the convergent governorate of egypt is
> shamal sina or ss
> this present resultant tripoint at kerem shalom is
> evidently or most likely egil2gzhdss
> even as we scribble
>
>
> the situation with the other 2 israel palestine
> tripoint hopefuls is far more complicated tho
>
> for one thing both putative localities still fall
> within israeli settlement blocs
> as this map shows in solid green
> http://www.biu.ac.il/SOC/besa/books/maps/map4.jpg
>
> in fact if all these solid green areas were to be
> annexed to israel
> no israel jordan palestine tripoints at all would
> emerge
>
> but on the admittedly very shaky assumptions that
> both of these west bank corners are
> still recognizable as the 2nd & 3rd ilps tripoints
> when palestine has fully emerged
> & also that no other palestine tripoints come into
> focus in the meantime
> then of course they will become simply iljopsn &
> iljopss respectively
>
> but iljops tripoints or iljo2iljops tripoints are
> not at all what they are now
>
>
> in this case they are both on iljo2 all right
> but
> again leaving aside the doubtful question of
> palestinian subdivision
> the northerly one
> since it combines the west bank wb & hazafon hz or
> northern district of israel with the
> irbid ir province of jordan
> is thus most likely iljo2hzirwb
> &
> the southerly one
> since it combines the west bank & hadarom hd or
> southern district of israel with the
> madaba md province of jordan
> is thus most likely iljo2hdmdwb
>
>
> & i suppose you could change wb to js in both cases
> as in judaea & samaria
> the israeli name for the west bank
>
> & tho judaea refers to the southern part of the west
> bank & samaria the northern
> i have never seen a line drawn between them
> so happily there is no real need to improvise
> separate diglyphs for them or distinguish
> between them in the resulting tripoint hexaglyphs
> tho i would like to know
> just out of curiosity
> if anyone knows exactly where to draw the line
> between the j&s of js or wb today
> & the locations of the 2 judaea & samaria tripoints
> that would presumably result
> at the borders of jordan & israel proper
> respectively
>
> reference maps
>

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/jordan_pol_2004.jpg

>

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/atlas_middle_east/israel_divisions.jpg

>

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/egypt_admn97.jpg

>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
> <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> >
> > all palestinians
> > whether from gaza or the west bank
> > or even living in israel proper
> > or outside all the above
> > are palestinian citizens all right
> > provided they merely claim to be so
> >
> > & they sometimes carry palestinian passports too
> >
> > but some palestinian arabs are israeli citizens
> too
> >
> > & may carry israeli passports too
> > for all i know
> > yikes
> >
> > it is not very interesting i assure you
> >
> >
> > but as palestinians
> > they are in any case citizens & or passport
> holders of an essentially stateless state
> > whether they are refugees from it or not
> >
> > for example
> >
>

http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/asylum/ric/documentation/Palestine.htm

> >
>

http://www.cyberus.ca/~baker/Pal_passport_recognize.htm

> >
> >
> > but
> > all that it is really important to remember
> > so far as bp multipointing is concerned
> > is
> > until gaza or palestine becomes a member state of
> the united nations
> > eggzil wont actually be legally
> > nor by any reasonable consensus
> > a world class tricountry tripoint
> >
> >
> > til then
> > i suppose it is really just a point on egil
> > namely egil2eggzil or egil2egilps
> > whichever anyone prefers
> >
> >
> > but when the magic moment of world consensus in
> new york occurs
> > perhaps sooner than later at this recent rate of
> speed
> > then voila
> > a true eggzil or egilps emerges
> > as the case may be
> >
> >
> > at the same time
> > there are at least 2 other ilps tripoints hanging
> out there now too
> >
> > however
> > these are of the iljo2iljops variety
> > & of the northern & southern persuasion
> respectively too
> > i should add
> > hence
> > iljo2iljopsn & iljo2iljopss
> > situated on the jordan river & in the dead sea
> respectively
> >
>

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/israel_pol01.jpg

> > when i last looked in
> > but still subject to ongoing & likely slower
> elaboration
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper
> Nielsen" <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am not sure.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > But I have often heard Palestinian refugees
> referred to as "Stateless
> > > Palestinians".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jesper
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På
> > > vegne af Doug Murray
> > > Sendt: 15. november 2005 22:36
>

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