first thanx to lowell for the further elucidations
&
i must correct or rather improve upon myself also
regarding not only eggzil but all 3 prospective palestinian world class tripoints
as follows
to even call eggzil or egilps by these names is of course way too casual
as well as presumptious
but in any case
the actual subdivisional tripoint it represents is truly neither egil2eggzil nor egil2egilps
& we are in fact even now just feeling our way to its technically correct name
certainly it is egil2 plus something or other xxyyzz for the actual tripoint constituencies
& since gaza or gz isnt known to be officially subdivided
& since the convergent district of israel is the southern or hadarom aka hd
& since the convergent governorate of egypt is shamal sina or ss
this present resultant tripoint at kerem shalom is evidently or most likely egil2gzhdss
even as we scribble
the situation with the other 2 israel palestine tripoint hopefuls is far more complicated tho
for one thing both putative localities still fall within israeli settlement blocs
as this map shows in solid green
http://www.biu.ac.il/SOC/besa/books/maps/map4.jpg
in fact if all these solid green areas were to be annexed to israel
no israel jordan palestine tripoints at all would emerge
but on the admittedly very shaky assumptions that both of these west bank corners are
still recognizable as the 2nd & 3rd ilps tripoints when palestine has fully emerged
& also that no other palestine tripoints come into focus in the meantime
then of course they will become simply iljopsn & iljopss respectively
but iljops tripoints or iljo2iljops tripoints are not at all what they are now
in this case they are both on iljo2 all right
but
again leaving aside the doubtful question of palestinian subdivision
the northerly one
since it combines the west bank wb & hazafon hz or northern district of israel with the
irbid ir province of jordan
is thus most likely iljo2hzirwb
&
the southerly one
since it combines the west bank & hadarom hd or southern district of israel with the
madaba md province of jordan
is thus most likely iljo2hdmdwb
& i suppose you could change wb to js in both cases
as in judaea & samaria
the israeli name for the west bank
& tho judaea refers to the southern part of the west bank & samaria the northern
i have never seen a line drawn between them
so happily there is no real need to improvise separate diglyphs for them or distinguish
between them in the resulting tripoint hexaglyphs
tho i would like to know
just out of curiosity
if anyone knows exactly where to draw the line between the j&s of js or wb today
& the locations of the 2 judaea & samaria tripoints that would presumably result
at the borders of jordan & israel proper respectively
reference maps
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/jordan_pol_2004.jpg
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/atlas_middle_east/israel_divisions.jpg
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/egypt_admn97.jpg
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> all palestinians
> whether from gaza or the west bank
> or even living in israel proper
> or outside all the above
> are palestinian citizens all right
> provided they merely claim to be so
>
> & they sometimes carry palestinian passports too
>
> but some palestinian arabs are israeli citizens too
>
> & may carry israeli passports too
> for all i know
> yikes
>
> it is not very interesting i assure you
>
>
> but as palestinians
> they are in any case citizens & or passport holders of an essentially stateless state
> whether they are refugees from it or not
>
> for example
> http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/asylum/ric/documentation/Palestine.htm
> http://www.cyberus.ca/~baker/Pal_passport_recognize.htm
>
>
> but
> all that it is really important to remember
> so far as bp multipointing is concerned
> is
> until gaza or palestine becomes a member state of the united nations
> eggzil wont actually be legally
> nor by any reasonable consensus
> a world class tricountry tripoint
>
>
> til then
> i suppose it is really just a point on egil
> namely egil2eggzil or egil2egilps
> whichever anyone prefers
>
>
> but when the magic moment of world consensus in new york occurs
> perhaps sooner than later at this recent rate of speed
> then voila
> a true eggzil or egilps emerges
> as the case may be
>
>
> at the same time
> there are at least 2 other ilps tripoints hanging out there now too
>
> however
> these are of the iljo2iljops variety
> & of the northern & southern persuasion respectively too
> i should add
> hence
> iljo2iljopsn & iljo2iljopss
> situated on the jordan river & in the dead sea respectively
> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/israel_pol01.jpg
> when i last looked in
> but still subject to ongoing & likely slower elaboration
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> >
> > I am not sure.
> >
> >
> >
> > But I have often heard Palestinian refugees referred to as "Stateless
> > Palestinians".
> >
> >
> >
> > Jesper
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På
> > vegne af Doug Murray
> > Sendt: 15. november 2005 22:36
> > Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Emne: Re: [BoundaryPoint] still looking like an eggzil tripoint border post
> > at kerem shalom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regarding Palestinians, what passport do they hold? Would a Palestinian
> > living in Jerusalem carry an Israeli passport, or would they be effectively
> > stateless?
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2005, at 9:48 AM, aletheia kallos wrote:
> >
> > http://english.wafa.ps/body.asp?id=4602
> > http://english.people.com.cn/200511/15/eng20051115_221451.html
> >
> > but how the tripoint itself will factor into this
> > original 3way crossing is still anyones guess
> >
> >
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