Subject: these could be the most telling & interesting 2 points
Date: Oct 07, 2005 @ 14:37
Author: aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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>yes
> Yeah, some things are odd.
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>
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> Pro:
>
> Our monument is definitively a tripoint monument since it has the three
> flags, but could still be symbolic
>
> The three flags are painted on trees on each side of countries territories
> (http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/BordersBGT.htm). Would BG allow
> painting of GR flag on BG tree?
>
> GR & TR are not the best play mates, and so I am sure TR would not approve
> GR flag if only BGTR marker
>
> Our TR hosts did not want to be photographed on GR side
>
>
>
> Cons:
>
> If No1 is the tp, why does BG put 320? (local ignorance?), see
> http://www.geocities.com/jesniel/tp_mon.jpg, the photo is taken from GR by
> the way (if true tp). The "320 BG" inscription was gone in May 2005.
>
> Monument does not look like an official marker
>
> Like on satellite photo, there is clear vista along what should be BGGR
> (http://www.geocities.com/jesniel/bggrtr.jpg)
> When copying the maps showing "Iceland Kavak" onthis spot where the 320 line continues south from kavak island feels especially hot
> http://www.geocities.com/jesniel/, the TR officials tried to tell us somehow
> they were no good. I got the impression they meant not to scale, or
> non-official maps or something like that
>
> We were shown the spot where GRTR enters the river.
> The photographed marker appeared to be 320CT. Then what happened to 320 Bizary+waters&w3=Boundary+waters&w4=Inca+trail&w5=Trail+of+painted+ponies&w6=Tr
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> Jesper
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> Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På
> vegne af aletheiak
> Sendt: 4. oktober 2005 00:57
> Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Emne: Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
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>
>
> delicious
> many thanxxx
> & they give me a bright new idea
> for regardless of the various map dates
> they do all together reiterate & underscore the already well known fact
> of the extreme shiftiness of all these islands
>
> which could singlehandedly explain how the tripoint got out of the river &
> onto dry land
>
> that is
> by pure avulsion
>
> & with no paperwork needed whatsoever
>
> except that
> even in such a case
> bgtr & grtr should still run in a continuous line downstream
> following the middle of the former main channel in both cases
> which was
> according to their 1919 & 1923 treaties respectively
> about 197 feet south of marker 1 on the south side of kavak group island a
> which is the smaller island south of kavak proper
> as some of your maps still rightly show
>
> indeed there is still precisely that turnpoint of bgtr showing there on
> several of them
> from off of the 320 monument line & into the mainstream
> which is exactly where the treaties & the ibs writeups lead one to expect
> the tripoint to be
>
> so i am not quite ready to cry eureka yet
> but we may be stumbling onto something essential not previously understood
> here
>
> if only we can somehow explain away this one remaining messy detail
> namely
> that the trifinium shown on all your maps is still not only a bit too far
> north
> but also at right angles to the orientation the treaties say it should have
> per ibs numbers 41 aka grtr & 56 aka bggr
>
> it just led me to notice however that there is a small comment in ibs number
> 49
> aka bgtr
> hinting that the tripoint could have been moved bilaterally by the grtr
> demarcation
> commission of 1926
>
> so any records that can be found of that party
> may be the next if not the only remaining hope for further investigation &
> elucidation
>
> heavy breathing & nearly celebration here
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > http://www.geocities.com/jesniel/
> >
> >
> >
> > Maps are not dated, which could have been nice.
> >
> >
> >
> > Last photo show a 320 which we passed on the causeway to Kavak.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jesper
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]
> På
> > vegne af aletheiak
> > Sendt: 3. oktober 2005 16:14
> > Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Emne: Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
> >
> >
> >
> > yes please would love to eat em
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, jesniel@i... wrote:
> > > I have various TR treaty maps of the tp that I can scan.
> > > >-- Original Message --
> > > >To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > >From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > > >Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:04:53 -0000
> > > >Subject: Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
> > > >Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > ><html><body>
> > >
> > >
> > > <tt>
> > > well ok but cshuro is marked by a ziggurat topped by an obeliskoid<BR>
> > > whereas the new bggrtr monument<BR>
> > > thanx to the partial pic youve found<BR>
> > > is still looking almost perfectly pyramidal <BR>
> > > so far <BR>
> > > exactly as was
> > > >reported<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > it looks like it should be great fun to climb tho too<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > but yikes what kind of advice were you asked for<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > what the marker should look like perhaps<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > or maybe where they should put it<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > &
> > > > did you ask or learn how & when the tripoint ever managed to get up
> out
> > > of the river & <BR>
> > > onto the island<BR>
> > > from the position specified in the 1923 treaty of lausanne & ibs 41<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > for that is the bigger mystery<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > &
> > > > this could still prove to be a chdefr style ceremonial monumentation
> > <BR>
> > > for a still legally wet tripoint<BR>
> > > without anyone even realizing it<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > at least until we find the document that properly moved & dried it
> out<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > --- In B
> > > >undaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@i...> wrote:<BR>
> > > > My guess is CSHURO style.<BR>
> > > > <BR>
> > > > <BR>
> > > > <BR>
> > > > The IBRG team was asked for advice on the matter on site in May.<BR>
> > > > <BR>
> > > &g
> > > >; <BR>
> > > > <BR>
> > > > Jesper<BR>
> > > > <BR>
> > > > <BR>
> > > > <BR>
> > > > _____ <BR>
> > > > <BR>
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> > > > Sendt: 3. oktober 2005 04:27<BR>
> > > > Til: boundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com<BR>
> > > > Emne: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented<BR>
> > > > <BR>
> > > > <BR>
> > > > <BR>
> > > > <a
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> > > >//www.sofiaecho.com/article/new-pyramid/id_11871/catid_5</a><BR>
> > > > <BR>
> > > > can anyone find a pic of this new marker<BR>
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