well maybe we are getting smarter slowly tho
for example
here the new monument is described as symbolic
so i have to wonder
couldnt that mean only symbolic & purely ceremonial
as opposed to technically & directly demarcative of the legal tripoint
also
it may be significant that the island named here is not kavak
but island a
also
we have not yet positively ascertained whether the funny new 3flags marker actually
replaces & stands in the exact location of the funny old 3flags marker you visited
& i think the surroundings visible in the new pix may be too vague to positively identify
or can you recognize something in them that i couldnt
&
we do believe
island a
is the name of the little islet just south of kavak
where the indirect grtr marker number 1 is supposed to be
a scant 60 meters from the treaty tripoint position
at midchannel mainstream
so maybe thats the neighborhood where the new marker was placed
rather than your familiar neighborhood
& i believe you also mentioned you explored all the way to the south shore of kavak island
so i am curious
were you able to see & identify anything from there that could have been island a
or what exactly did you see facing south from there
& i also have to keep wondering
what could have possessed greece to want to get involved at all here on this island
which is not only in the river but on the far side of the thalweg
since greece is everywhere else on the right side of the thalweg & the right bank only
& this would apparently make not only an undocumented exception but also the unique
exception to that general principle
i dont say it is impossible
nor that any of these data & or suppositions are necessarily correct
but i lean toward wanting to see the legal proof of this before necessarily believing in it
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> http://www.mathra.gr/article.php?id=1570:
>
>
>
> The minister Macedonia of - Thrace Mr Nikos Tsjartsjw'nis, Tuesday 19/7/05
> and hour 12 the midday, will represent the government, head of Greek
> delegation, in the ceremony of openings of symbolic monument, which is
> founded joint with Bulgaria and Turkey, in island "A of" river Ebros
> (Trjecne's).
>
>
>
> In the event they will attend: the Bulgarian delegation with head the
> aperho'meno minister of Abroads Mr Solamo'n Pa'sj and the Turkish delegation
> with head the minister of Finances Mr Kema'l Oynakjta'n. The monument is a
> "special landmark" with the form of frontier pyramid (of 2,5 metres) with
> engraving the numbers and the symbols of each state. In the locality it is
> forecasted is manufactured exa'pleyro pedestal, diagonal of 6 metres and of
> one metre, in which will be placed the pyramid in question so that it is
> protected from potential floods.
>
>
>
> Also, they will be placed plake'tes with the national flag of each country
> and sign in the language of corresponding country with the following text:
> "Solidarity to linked Europe". The members of three national delegations
> will be met in the Orme'njo, in the 11:30 morning and from there will return
> roadly in the space of openings.
>
>
>
> Immediately afterwards, the Bulgarian delegation will mention official
> dinner in the frontier city Svj'legkrant.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Smarter now? Not really.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På
> vegne af Jesper Nielsen
> Sendt: 6. oktober 2005 22:54
> Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Emne: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re bggrtr
>
>
>
> It's interesting that I cannot find a single Greek reference to bggrtr. I
> would have thought that any combination of Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Kavak,
> Evros, the name of the Greek minister who were at the new monument, in
> English and in Greek would bring up something. But none.
>
>
>
> And even tried combining with site:gr which should only search sites in
> Greece.
>
>
>
> Classified information? Odd!
>
>
>
> Jesper
>
>
>
> _____
>
> Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På
> vegne af aletheia kallos
> Sendt: 6. oktober 2005 21:03
> Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Emne: Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re bggrtr
>
>
>
> lovely
> thanx
> & heres a try for the greek word for poplar
> which you may recall is what kavak means in turkish &
> or bulgarian
> http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/enggreek?lang=greek
> <http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/enggreek?lang=greek&lookup=poplar&type
> =begin&options=Sort+Results+Alphabetically&.submit=Do+Search>
> &lookup=poplar&type=begin&options=Sort+Results+Alphabetically&.submit=Do+Sea
> rch
>
> evidently 9 ways to say it in greek
> perhaps not unlike english aspen cottonwood lombardy
> etc etc
>
> but it may still require someone like lowell or hugh
> to properly ellenicize them all
>
> it may also be significant that i recognize the 2nd &
> 3rd & 6th items as the classical words for various
> poplars
> so these could be the likeliest 3 of all to try
> searching with
>
> all the others being perhaps just derivative
>
> btw every e is an epsilon & only the o with the hat is
> an omega
>
> --- Jesper Nielsen <jesniel@i...> wrote:
>
> > Very late last night I fed google with the three
> > words to look for a local
> > Greek angle of the tp.
> >
> > And I figured the Greek version of "Kavak" would be
> > the best angle to find
> > information.
> >
> > I wasn't able to find anything useful, but since I
> > had already spent time
> > and effort to find GR words for the three countries
> > I would offer them to my
> > border friends who were getting out of bed as I was
> > getting in.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jesper
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På
> > vegne af aletheiak
> > Sendt: 6. oktober 2005 01:33
> > Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Emne: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re bggrtr
> >
> >
> >
> > aha thanx
> > bougaria tourkia ellas
> > very nice
> >
> > but now what do we do with it to try to get to greek
> > kavak
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
> > McManus"
> > <mcmanus71496@m...>
> > wrote:
> > > Jesper's message came through loud and clear here
> > in all of it Greek
> > > alphabetical glory. If it didn't for you, it
> > might be because he sends in
> > the
> > > Unicode (UTF-8) character set, and your e-mail
> > program apparently does not
> > > support Unicode.
> > >
> > > His "cut and paste" consists of the following
> > Greek letters:
> > >
> > > beta omicron upsilon gamma alpha rho iota
> > alpha;
> > > tau omicron upsilon rho kappa iota alpha;
> > > epsilon lamda lamda alpha sigma;
> > >
> > > for "Bulgaria," "Turkey," and "Greece."
> > >
> > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@y...>
> > > To: <boundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 5:23 PM
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] re bggrtr
> > >
> > >
> > > > jesper
> > > > the following line from your latest message i
> > couldnt
> > > > understand
> > > > Here is cut and paste for the three countries:
> > > > Î'ÎYÎ¥Î>Î"Î'ΡÎTÎ' ΤÎYΥΡÎsÎTÎ' Î.Î>Î>Î'ΣÂ
> > > > tho i was able to cut & paste & drag it into
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> > > > message
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