Subject: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
Date: Oct 04, 2005 @ 19:55
Author: Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
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Yeah, some things are odd.
Pro:
Our monument is definitively a tripoint monument since it has the three flags, but could still be symbolic
The three flags are painted on trees on each side of countries territories (http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/BordersBGT.htm). Would BG allow painting of GR flag on BG tree?
GR & TR are not the best play mates, and so I am sure TR would not approve GR flag if only BGTR marker
Our TR hosts did not want to be photographed on GR side
Cons:
If No1 is the tp, why does BG put 320? (local ignorance?), see http://www.geocities.com/jesniel/tp_mon.jpg, the photo is taken from GR by the way (if true tp). The “320 BG” inscription was gone in May 2005.
Monument does not look like an official marker
Like on satellite photo, there is clear vista along what should be BGGR (http://www.geocities.com/jesniel/bggrtr.jpg)
When copying the maps showing “Iceland Kavak” on http://www.geocities.com/jesniel/, the TR officials tried to tell us somehow they were no good. I got the impression they meant not to scale, or non-official maps or something like that
We were shown the spot where GRTR enters the river.
The photographed marker appeared to be 320CT. Then what happened to 320 Biz
Jesper
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Emne: Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint]
bggrtr remonumented
delicious
many thanxxx
& they give me a bright new idea
for regardless of the various map dates
they do all together reiterate & underscore
the already well known fact
of the extreme shiftiness of all these islands
which could singlehandedly explain how the
tripoint got out of the river & onto dry land
that is
by pure avulsion
& with no paperwork needed whatsoever
except that
even in such a case
bgtr & grtr should still run in a continuous
line downstream
following the middle of the former main channel in
both cases
which was
according to their 1919 & 1923 treaties
respectively
about
197 feet south of marker 1 on the south side of
kavak group island a
which is the smaller island south of kavak proper
as some of your maps still rightly show
indeed there is still precisely that turnpoint of
bgtr showing there on several of them
from off of the 320 monument line & into the
mainstream
which is exactly where the treaties & the ibs
writeups lead one to expect the tripoint to be
so i am not quite ready to cry eureka yet
but we may be stumbling onto something essential
not previously understood here
if only we can somehow explain away this one
remaining messy detail
namely
that the trifinium shown on all your maps is still
not only a bit too far north
but also at right angles to the orientation the
treaties say it should have
per ibs numbers 41 aka grtr & 56 aka bggr
it just led me to notice however that there is a
small comment in ibs number 49
aka bgtr
hinting that the tripoint could have been moved
bilaterally by the grtr demarcation
commission of 1926
so any records that can be found of that party
may be the next if not the only remaining hope for
further investigation & elucidation
heavy breathing & nearly celebration here
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "
Jesper Nielsen "
<jesniel@i...> wrote:
> http://www.geocities.com/jesniel/
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>
>
> Maps are not dated, which could have been
nice.
>
>
>
> Last photo show a 320 which we passed on the
causeway to Kavak.
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>
> Jesper
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>
> _____
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> Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
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> Sendt: 3. oktober 2005 16:14
> Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Emne: Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr
remonumented
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>
>
> yes please would love to eat em
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
jesniel@i... wrote:
> > I have various TR treaty maps of the tp
that I can scan.
> > >-- Original Message --
> > >To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > >From: "aletheiak"
<aletheiak@y...>
> > >Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:04:53
-0000
> > >Subject: Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint]
bggrtr remonumented
> > >Reply-To:
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > ><html><body>
> >
> >
> > <tt>
> > well ok but cshuro is marked by a
ziggurat topped by an obeliskoid<BR>
> > whereas the new bggrtr
monument<BR>
> > thanx to the partial pic youve
found<BR>
> > is still looking almost perfectly
pyramidal <BR>
> > so far <BR>
> > exactly as was
> > >reported<BR>
> > <BR>
> > it looks like it should be great fun to
climb tho too<BR>
> > <BR>
> > <BR>
> > but yikes what kind of advice were you
asked for<BR>
> > <BR>
> > what the marker should look like
perhaps<BR>
> > <BR>
> > or maybe where they should put
it<BR>
> > <BR>
> > &
> > > did you ask or learn how & when
the tripoint ever managed to get up out
> > of the river & <BR>
> > onto the island<BR>
> > from the position specified in the 1923
treaty of lausanne & ibs 41<BR>
> > <BR>
> > for that is the bigger mystery<BR>
> > <BR>
> > &
> > > this could still prove to be a
chdefr style ceremonial monumentation
> <BR>
> > for a still legally wet
tripoint<BR>
> > without anyone even realizing
it<BR>
> > <BR>
> > at least until we find the document that
properly moved & dried it out<BR>
> > <BR>
> > --- In B
> > >undaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "
Jesper Nielsen "
<jesniel@i...> wrote:<BR>
> > > My guess is CSHURO style.<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > The IBRG team was asked for advice
on the matter on site in May.<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > &g
> > >; <BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > Jesper<BR>
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remonumented<BR>
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> > > can anyone find a pic of this new
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