delicious
many thanxxx
& they give me a bright new idea
for regardless of the various map dates
they do all together reiterate & underscore the already well known fact
of the extreme shiftiness of all these islands

which could singlehandedly explain how the tripoint got out of the river & onto dry land

that is
by pure avulsion

& with no paperwork needed whatsoever

except that
even in such a case
bgtr & grtr should still run in a continuous line downstream
following the middle of the former main channel in both cases
which was
according to their 1919 & 1923 treaties respectively
about 197 feet south of marker 1 on the south side of kavak group island a
which is the smaller island south of kavak proper
as some of your maps still rightly show

indeed there is still precisely that turnpoint of bgtr showing there on several of them
from off of the 320 monument line & into the mainstream
which is exactly where the treaties & the ibs writeups lead one to expect the tripoint to be

so i am not quite ready to cry eureka yet
but we may be stumbling onto something essential not previously understood here

if only we can somehow explain away this one remaining messy detail
namely
that the trifinium shown on all your maps is still not only a bit too far north
but also at right angles to the orientation the treaties say it should have
per ibs numbers 41 aka grtr & 56 aka bggr

it just led me to notice however that there is a small comment in ibs number 49
aka bgtr
hinting that the tripoint could have been moved bilaterally by the grtr demarcation
commission of 1926

so any records that can be found of that party
may be the next if not the only remaining hope for further investigation & elucidation

heavy breathing & nearly celebration here

--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@i...> wrote:
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> Maps are not dated, which could have been nice.
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> Last photo show a 320 which we passed on the causeway to Kavak.
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> yes please would love to eat em
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> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, jesniel@i... wrote:
> > I have various TR treaty maps of the tp that I can scan.
> > >-- Original Message --
> > >To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > >From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > >Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:04:53 -0000
> > >Subject: Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
> > >Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
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> > well ok but cshuro is marked by a ziggurat topped by an obeliskoid 
> > whereas the new bggrtr monument 
> > thanx to the partial pic youve found 
> > is still looking almost perfectly pyramidal 
> > so far 
> > exactly as was
> > >reported 
> > 
> > it looks like it should be great fun to climb tho too 
> > 
> > 
> > but yikes what kind of advice were you asked for 
> > 
> > what the marker should look like perhaps 
> > 
> > or maybe where they should put it 
> > 
> > &
> > > did you ask or learn how & when the tripoint ever managed to get up out
> > of the river & 
> > onto the island 
> > from the position specified in the 1923 treaty of lausanne & ibs 41 
> > 
> > for that is the bigger mystery 
> > 
> > &
> > > this could still prove to be a chdefr style ceremonial monumentation
> 
> > for a still legally wet tripoint 
> > without anyone even realizing it 
> > 
> > at least until we find the document that properly moved & dried it out 
> > 
> > --- In B
> > >undaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@i...> wrote: 
> > > My guess is CSHURO style. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The IBRG team was asked for advice on the matter on site in May. 
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> > &g
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> > > Jesper 
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> > > can anyone find a pic of this new marker 
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