on further reflection
all the maps i have seen agree about the railroad
& there is not likely to be another railroad crossing
than this one

& it is not so surprising that the bridge itself cant
be seen in the sat pic
nor that the island just below it has apparently grown
& crept closer to it over the past 80 years
while also practically reattaching itself to the
turkish bank btw

so i will guess decisively at this point that island q
is indeed the long narrow one shown almost touching
the left bank near the bottom of this last sat pic

--- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...> wrote:

> this is almost definitely the right frame
> for i recognize both the elcili area near the top
> & the great bend area around pithion at the bottom
>
> & so your roughly 25 km of coverage here almost
> certainly includes the entire probable target area
> based on all the distances given in the ibs text
>
> & so many more candidate islands now to choose from
> hahaha
>
> but the railroad bridge also mentioned by the ibs as
> being a couple of km upstream from island q is not
> visible in this photo
>
> no bridge visible anywhere in this photo
> oops
>
> but perhaps it is just too narrow &or too dark to
> show
> up
> for the ibs 41 map 1 does indeed show a railroad
> crossing
> & shows it roughly where an unbridged road crossing
> does appear
> at lower right in this sat pic
> just below the stream confluence
>
> not that that railroad necessarily has to be the
> right
> railroad either tho
> hahaha
>
> so i dont know where that leaves us
> except there is a candidate island just below this
> apparently unbridged road crossing
>
> a bit too close & a bit too big tho
> hmmm
> not that islands or bridges on this famously wild
> river could be expected to stay put for 80 years
> either tho
>
> so i have to admit we still need more data
> but are damn close
>
> possibly just off frame downstream too
> hahaha
>
> --- Jesper Nielsen <jesniel@...> wrote:
>
> > Furthe south
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: aletheiak
> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 12:08 AM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Q, the divided
> island
> > on GRTR
> >
> >
> >
> > if you go to
> > http://www.locatienet.nl
> > & give elcili for plaats in the ik wil naar box
> > & change nederland to turkije
> > & click on toon karte
> > the toon town map they give does show a best
> > available
> > candidate island a few km upriver from elcili
> > but obviously a better map is still needed
> >
> > also i have concluded your sat pix are indeed
> too
> > far north
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, aletheia
> > kallos
> > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > edirne itself is about 10km upriver from where
> > the
> > > border kicks back into the maritsa
> > > & elcili & q are about 40km downriver from
> > edirne
> > >
> > > so unless you have some better idea of the
> > direction &
> > > scale of these pix than i do
> > > my guess is they are both too far north in any
> > case
> > >
> > > --- Jesper Nielsen <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Enclosed satellite images south of Edirne.
> > > >
> > > > Jesper
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: aletheiak
> > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:45 PM
> > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Q, the
> divided
> > island
> > > > on GRTR
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > on the map you provide in your second link
>
> > > > the island q is of course too small to be
> > shown
> > > > but it must be situated pretty close to
> the
> > town
> > > > of elcili
> > > > near the lower left corner of the upper
> > right
> > > > quadrant
> > > > since this ibs text & its 2 maps do give
> > exact
> > > > mileages & show
> > > > landmarks that permit this guess to be
> > constructed
> > > > which tho still only a guess
> > > > is awfully well educated
> > > >
> > > > on a better map we might be able to put
> our
> > finger
> > > > on q because
> > > > it is of substantial & known length anyway
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Jesper
> > > > Nielsen"
> > > > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > > > Where is the divided island, Q mentioned
> > on page
> > > > 7 of
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS041.pdf

> > > > >
> > > > >
> > http://www.adiyamanli.org/MapofTurkey/a1.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://www.sieurasia.com/english/html/eng_index.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Jesper
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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