further & better confirmation at
http://multimap.com
where you can point & click your way right to island q
for there it is shown to be exactly the length & exactly the
distance below the railroad bridge that the ibs says it should be
which is quite a testimonial to multimap btw
establishing it on a level above all the others
& the one fly in the ointment
an apparently misguided ibs comment about there being an
international road bridge between markers 24 & 25
or directly across island q
might be explained away as a mistranscription of markers 25 & 26
aha
for then everything makes perfect sense
so i will upgrade my guess now from decisive to emphatic
or all but qed
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, aletheia kallos
<aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> on further reflection
> all the maps i have seen agree about the railroad
> & there is not likely to be another railroad crossing
> than this one
>
> & it is not so surprising that the bridge itself cant
> be seen in the sat pic
> nor that the island just below it has apparently grown
> & crept closer to it over the past 80 years
> while also practically reattaching itself to the
> turkish bank btw
>
> so i will guess decisively at this point that island q
> is indeed the long narrow one shown almost touching
> the left bank near the bottom of this last sat pic
>
> --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> > this is almost definitely the right frame
> > for i recognize both the elcili area near the top
> > & the great bend area around pithion at the bottom
> >
> > & so your roughly 25 km of coverage here almost
> > certainly includes the entire probable target area
> > based on all the distances given in the ibs text
> >
> > & so many more candidate islands now to choose from
> > hahaha
> >
> > but the railroad bridge also mentioned by the ibs as
> > being a couple of km upstream from island q is not
> > visible in this photo
> >
> > no bridge visible anywhere in this photo
> > oops
> >
> > but perhaps it is just too narrow &or too dark to
> > show
> > up
> > for the ibs 41 map 1 does indeed show a railroad
> > crossing
> > & shows it roughly where an unbridged road crossing
> > does appear
> > at lower right in this sat pic
> > just below the stream confluence
> >
> > not that that railroad necessarily has to be the
> > right
> > railroad either tho
> > hahaha
> >
> > so i dont know where that leaves us
> > except there is a candidate island just below this
> > apparently unbridged road crossing
> >
> > a bit too close & a bit too big tho
> > hmmm
> > not that islands or bridges on this famously wild
> > river could be expected to stay put for 80 years
> > either tho
> >
> > so i have to admit we still need more data
> > but are damn close
> >
> > possibly just off frame downstream too
> > hahaha
> >
> > --- Jesper Nielsen <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> >
> > > Furthe south
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: aletheiak
> > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 12:08 AM
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Q, the divided
> > island
> > > on GRTR
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > if you go to
> > > http://www.locatienet.nl
> > > & give elcili for plaats in the ik wil naar box
> > > & change nederland to turkije
> > > & click on toon karte
> > > the toon town map they give does show a best
> > > available
> > > candidate island a few km upriver from elcili
> > > but obviously a better map is still needed
> > >
> > > also i have concluded your sat pix are indeed
> > too
> > > far north
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, aletheia
> > > kallos
> > > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > edirne itself is about 10km upriver from where
> > > the
> > > > border kicks back into the maritsa
> > > > & elcili & q are about 40km downriver from
> > > edirne
> > > >
> > > > so unless you have some better idea of the
> > > direction &
> > > > scale of these pix than i do
> > > > my guess is they are both too far north in any
> > > case
> > > >
> > > > --- Jesper Nielsen <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Enclosed satellite images south of Edirne.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jesper
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: aletheiak
> > > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:45 PM
> > > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Q, the
> > divided
> > > island
> > > > > on GRTR
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > on the map you provide in your second link
> >
> > > > > the island q is of course too small to be
> > > shown
> > > > > but it must be situated pretty close to
> > the
> > > town
> > > > > of elcili
> > > > > near the lower left corner of the upper
> > > right
> > > > > quadrant
> > > > > since this ibs text & its 2 maps do give
> > > exact
> > > > > mileages & show
> > > > > landmarks that permit this guess to be
> > > constructed
> > > > > which tho still only a guess
> > > > > is awfully well educated
> > > > >
> > > > > on a better map we might be able to put
> > our
> > > finger
> > > > > on q because
> > > > > it is of substantial & known length anyway
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "Jesper
> > > > > Nielsen"
> > > > > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > > > > Where is the divided island, Q mentioned
> > > on page
> > > > > 7 of
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS041.pdf
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > http://www.adiyamanli.org/MapofTurkey/a1.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > http://www.sieurasia.com/english/html/eng_index.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jesper
> > > > >
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