Ok, if CN, VN, and TW claim all of the islands and
water then that makes sense. So a 5-country-claimed
reef. And then we do have that small piece of ocean
as a 6-country-claimed region. Of course it is not
pentagonal but rather quadrilateral since it only has
4 sides.
--- aletheiak <
aletheiak@...> wrote:
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> Kaufman
> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > The map in the link says nothing about Taiwan and
> > Louisa Reef as far as I can see.
>
> true but taiwan claims all the spratlys
> with no known exceptions
> just as do china & vietnam
>
> so i have assumed each of their claims includes
> louisa reef
>
> & malaysia & brunei lay explicit claim to louisa
> also
> but without claiming all the other spratlys
>
> i dont know what the vietnam petroleum block claim
> is or means
>
> but there is no reason to suppose it limits the
> vietnamese claim
> to all the spratlys
> & there are many reefs & shoals beyond it with
> vietnamese
> names
> apparently including the vietnamese occupied pigeon
> reef
>
> the small pentagonal ocean area you identify below
> as claimed
> by 5 countries is more likely actually claimed by
> all 6
> presumably including taiwan
> since maritime claims follow from land claims
>
> neither the map nor list purports to be exhaustive
> so not every claim to every spratly is shown &or
> mentioned
>
> & of course not every claim to every spratly is
> backed up by actual
> occupation
>
> in fact most of them are deserted
>
> end inserts
>
>
> And it looks like it
> > falls outside the Vietnam Petroleum Block Claim.
> On
> > the basis of the map alone, it looks like China,
> > Brunei, and Malaysia claim it. There is one small
> > ocean area - China, Brunei, Malaysia, Philippines,
> > Vietnam - with no depicted islands or reefs.
> >
> > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > tho the philippines do claim several of the
> spratly
> > > islands
> > > & tho all 6 bncnmyphtwvn countries claim at
> least 1
> > > spratly each
> > > the philippines dont claim louisa reef as the
> > > bncnmytwvn 5 do
> > >
> > > moreover
> > > since none of the other individual spratlys is
> > > claimed by more
> > > than 4 of the 6 spratly countries
> > > & since no other place in the world is claimed
> by
> > > more than 3
> > > countries
> > > louisa reef stands alone as the hottest real
> estate
> > > on earth
> > > &or under the sea
> > >
> > > for the basis of my arithmetic
> > > please refer again to message 14049
> > > & especially to the color coded annotated map in
> the
> > > link there
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > > Kaufman
> > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > Why not 6 country with Philippines?
> > > >
> > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > yes we have had this report at least since
> > > message
> > > > > 14049
> > > > > when i still imagined she was only a
> 4country
> > > reef
> > > > >
> > > > > see under louisa in alphabetical list of
> > > spratlys in
> > > > > the middlebury
> > > > > link there
> > > > >
> > > > > only later did it dawn on me that the
> bruneian
> > > claim
> > > > > to her was
> > > > > just as real as the 4 others
> > > > > despite its being unique in not
> acknowledging
> > > the
> > > > > reef as dry
> > > > > land but only as maritime territory
> > > > >
> > > > > but i generally prefer my theories as spare
> &
> > > lean
> > > > > as possible
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> "Lowell G.
> > > > > McManus"
> > > > > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > > > > Each theory is as good as the other.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do we know for fact that the lighthouse or
> > > > > navigation beacon
> > > > > was Malaysian, or
> > > > > > is that theory too?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > > > > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:47 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible
> > > BNCNMYTWVN
> > > > > 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > well no need to postulate a greater
> mystery
> > > in
> > > > > order to solve
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > lesser one
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > & i think a single 5country obelisk in
> the
> > > sea
> > > > > is plenty for the
> > > > > time
> > > > > > > being
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the so called lighthouse or beacon
> > > > > > > whether it was mounted atop the obelisk
> or
> > > not
> > > > > > > could easily have just been a small
> > > reflector or
> > > > > glow type
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the lawn of my estate here on cream hill
> is
> > > > > littered with solar
> > > > > > > powered night lights comprised of 6inch
> > > plastic
> > > > > cubes that
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > stick into the ground
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > & the 2 blocklike forms you have spotted
> on
> > > the
> > > > > reef could
> > > > > easily
> > > > > > > have come from the top of the single
> known
> > > > > obelisk
> > > > > > > the height of which does indeed appear
> to
> > > have
> > > > > been
> > > > > reduced
> > > > > > > as detailed below
> > > > > > > by the necessary 15 or 20 percent to
> account
> > > for
> > > > > them
> > > > > > > give or take a beacon
> > > > > > > & were perhaps shot down by the same
> chinese
> > > > > gunboat
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > perhaps shot out the light
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > leaving stone markers to claim
> sovereignty
> > > over
> > > > > islets
> > > > > > > &or destroying such markers to deny it
> > > > > > > has been a fixture thruout the china
> seas
> > > since
> > > > > 1895
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > after malaysia destroyed the chinese
> marker
> > > here
> > > > > > > it seems to me
> > > > > > > the least china could have done was
> destroy
> > > the
> > > > > malaysian
> > > > > light
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > anyway so little for my theory
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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