excellent analysis
& of course it was multi wishfully thought from the start here too
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
<mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> I agree that the boundary through Portsmouth Harbor in the
wide mouth of the
> Piscataqua River lacks proper demarcation, but any fair
interpretation of the
> 1740 royal decree's "Middle of the River" would have to leave
the naval base on
> Seavey Island in Maine. There's no comparison between the
wide, deep channel
> south of the island and the narrow, shallow, and twice bridged
channel north of
> the island. Just look at the soundings on the topo map!
>
> New Hampshire's previous claim to the low water line on the
north shore (shot
> down by the Supremes in 2001 without telling us where the
boundary really is)
> was clearly based on something other than the
aforementioned order of George II
> in council--namely prescription and acquiescence.
>
> I suspect that the comedian from Dover, New Hampshire, who
wishes to avoid Maine
> income taxes on his earnings at the naval yard, is going to say:
>
> "Well, you know, Maine (and Massachusetts before it) were in
past times rather
> lax in asserting their sovereignty over Seavey Island, and the
feds were
> perennially confused as to the postal address for the naval
base, so that puts
> it in tax-free New Hampshire!"
>
> I seem to recall that a long history of federal involvement that
was oblivious
> to the presence of any state boundary, coupled with extended
neglect by New
> Jersey, did not avail New York any more of Ellis Island than
Charles II had
> granted to the Duke of York in 1664. I suspect that the
Supremes will rule this
> time as they did then.
>
> I don't blame Mr. Bourre for pointing out that the boundary is
uncertain and
> bringing the issue to a head; but in the meantime, I'd advise
him to set aside
> the money that Maine wants. Anything else would be wishful
thinking.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "m06079" <barbaria_longa@h...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 11:30 AM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a funny thing keeps happening on
the way to menhus
>
>
> > the legal briefs behind the tax revolt bravura
> > http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/130ORIG.ZS.html
> >
> > & tho the usgs topo does indeed place seavey island
shipyard
> > squarely within maine
> > http://topozone.com/map.asp?lat=43.08083&lon=-70.735
> > if you zoom out & pan around from there
> > especially toward the south
> > you will find clear signs of the border uncertainty &or conflict
that
> > does indeed prevail thruout this area
> >
> > which btw is also the cause & general area of the police
condo
> > tho i still cant positively identify its tripoints or true extent
> >
> > & the uncertainty of all the above is just the result of not
knowing
> > which interpretation to honor of the legal delineation
> > namely
> > the middle of the river
> > or the main navigation channel
> > or whatever
> >
> > but especially wherever islands such as this one are
concerned
> >
> > & thats the question that is probably headed back to the
> > supreme court right now with our comedian friend here
> > one way or the other
> >
> > & we
> > the precision try pointers of the world
> > well we can only stand by hoping the court will have the good
> > sense to take this opportunity to secure the entire menh
border
> > from ever blowing in the wind again
> > & therefore to pin it down all the way to menhus
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002"
> > <orc@o...> wrote:
> > >
> >
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/03162004/news/5522.htm
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "m06079"
> > > <barbaria_longa@h...> wrote:
> > > > ah so
> > > > already plumbed your well to a happy ending too i trust
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > & to review & summarize what else of relevance we have
> > been
> > > > seeing here on menh in recent years
> > > >
> > > > 1
> > > > this man is just the van & tip of a rising iceberg of tax
revolt by
> > > > portsmouth shipyard workers resident in maine
> > > > which has been bringing this ill defined border to a
political
> > > head
> > > > over many months now
> > > >
> > > > 2
> > > > believe it or not
> > > > the unresolved legal issues are pretty much as stated in
the
> > > > article
> > > > as i understand them
> > > >
> > > > so this boor fellow may really know whereof he boasts
> > > >
> > > > in fact i would bet this mess is more than ripe enough to
rise
> > > > straight to the supreme court again
> > > > unless they nip it in the bud with an instant border
> > commission
> > > >
> > > > & that is something they appear to have been
assiduously
> > > > avoiding
> > > > unlike our wild & crazy ctri messers
> > > >
> > > > 3
> > > > pro tempore
> > > > there is a de facto police condominium of the busiest
areas
> > of
> > > > the piscataqua harbor area
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > & 4
> > > > as you probably also know
> > > > & as has already come up in this case
> > > > even an official map does not necessarily define a border
> > > > nor dispose of a dispute
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
> > McManus"
> > > > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > > > I hope that this does lead to a clarification of MENHUS,
but I
> > > > don't think the
> > > > > fellow has much of a chance with his tax case. I have a
> > > "1977
> > > > Official Highway
> > > > > Map of New Hampshire" issued by the New Hampshire
> > > > Division of Economic
> > > > > Development that clearly shows (in its Portsmouth
inset)
> > that
> > > > the Portsmouth
> > > > > Naval Shipyard is in Maine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@h...>
> > > > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:31 PM
> > > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] a funny thing keeps
happening on
> > > the
> > > > way to menhus
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > this one ought to spawn a whole new menh border
> > > > commission &or supreme court
> > > > > > culmination
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/03152004/news/5417.htm
> > > > > > & put an end to both of the outstanding menh
enigmas
> > > > > >
> > > > > > this famously convoluted & urgent one in piscataqua
> > > harbor
> > > > > >
> > > > > > &
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the forgotten
> > > > > > & indeed practically esoteric
> > > > > > final stitch
> > > > > > from the breakwater at the isles of shoals to the 3mile
> > > limits
> > > > at menhus
> > > > > > aka mes
> > > > > > aka nhe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > & the gathering legal storm should lead to the
resolution
> > of
> > > > both areas &
> > > > > > thus to the tripoint
> > > > > > which is still technically flapping in the wind
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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