--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus" <
mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:

> On third reading, I now understand your question (I think).
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> I don't know which treaty, whether, ESGB or GBUS, was signed earlier on
> September 3, 1783, nor how many minutes apart they were. Falconer mentions EGGB
> and GBUS in adjacent paragraphs in that order, but who can say whether he
> mentioned them chronologically?
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> In one order, you get a momentary tripoint, in the other, you don't!
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@m...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 8:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American ghost tripoints
>
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> > Mike wrote:
> >
> > > ok but i meant the much smaller unknown number of days between the gbus
> > > consummation of 3 sept 1783 & the esgb cession on a subsequent but to
> > > me still unknown date in 1783
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> > I don't know when the provisional GBUS treaty of 1783 was ratified and
> > effective

the provisional gbus was 30 nov 1782

& the 1783 gbus of 3 sept was not provisional but definite

however you do raise an interesting quandary

my de jure claim assumes further ratification of this definitized 1783
treaty to be unnecessary not only because it is confirmatory of the
earlier 1782 version but also because the territory of the cession
itself is the original territory & original jurisdiction of one of the
2 parties to the treaty itself

for it seems to me that without this original territory this party
the usa
doesnt legally exist to sign anything

now it may be that the treaty was subsequently ratified by the
continental congress &or the british crown

so should we therefore postdate the legal creation of the territory of
the usa from this 3sept1783 date to such a slightly later date as
necessary to reflect both of these subsequent ratifications
if indeed there were any

i dont think so
but i suppose since we are talking about legal technicalities we must
give them their full weight & due

so i am prepared to concede there may have been legally insufficient
consummation for a true 1783esgbus1783 tricountry point at 31st & miss

but then of course what about the ratifications of esgb1783 also
if any

if the esgb1783 ratifications preceded the gbus1783 ratifications
then no tripoint

but if the sequence went the other way
then yes tripoint for the duration of the interval between the final
gbus & esgb ratifications

& this may not even have occurred in 1783
hahahaha

for the last of these ratifications if any may well have taken months
or even years

what a mess

or we could simply take the treaty dates at face value
since they may have been effective retroactively anyway
i dont know

but thats a whole different question

, but the ESGB treaty by which Britain ceded the Floridas to Spain

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> > signed on the same day as the definitive GBUS treaty, that being September 3,
> > 1783. This is according to Thomas Falconer in ON THE DISCOVERY OF THE
> > MISSISSIPPI, AND ON THE SOUTH-WESTERN, OREGON, AND NORTH-WESTERN BOUNDARY OF
> THE
> > UNITED STATES (London: Samuel Clark, 1844).
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> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
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