Subject: Re: Four Color Maps<br/>
Date: Dec 08, 2003 @ 18:21<br/>
Author: m06079 (&quot;m06079&quot; &lt;barbaria_longa@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1495995364">actually the usgs is quite inconsistent about showing the 3 mile <br/>
limits <br/>
& also about showing county & state lines in the sea<br/>
<br/>
it does close the mouths of chesapeake & delaware & new york & cape <br/>
cod bays<br/>
but not of florida bay<br/>
despite the notorious shallowness of the latter<br/>
<br/>
it even shows a bit of the 3nm line within the otherwise undoubtedly <br/>
internal waters of mississippi in mississippi sound<br/>
yikes<br/>
thats right<br/>
a little enclave of federal waters within mississippi waters<br/>
hard to believe<br/>
<br/>
it also shows the nyri state line extending far out to sea beyond the <br/>
3 mile limit<br/>
but how could that be<br/>
<br/>
& it shows the 3nm line heading straight out to the high seas for no <br/>
apparent reason just south of cape flattery<br/>
<br/>
it shows almost none of the 3 mile limit in louisiana<br/>
& none of the texas 3 league limit anywhere<br/>
<br/>
so believe your eyes at your own risk here<br/>
<br/>
things are not necessarily as they seem<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
also you can count block island as an exclave of rhode island<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
& the topo also shows a 3nm island clave of maine other than the one <br/>
generated by machias seal island<br/>
but shows no dry land at the center to support it<br/>
<br/>
so perhaps just a rock & a candidate for smallest insular clave<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
but it thus appears at least 8 or 9 states have true exclaves<br/>
ky<br/>
ny<br/>
ca<br/>
ak<br/>
hi<br/>
fl<br/>
me<br/>
ri<br/>
& maybe wa<br/>
<br/>
but so far it appears only nj has true enclaves<br/>
assuming ms is a mistake<br/>
& also assuming no similarly weird federal claves in ak or hi etc<br/>
since after all anything is still possible with all those 3nm & <br/>
closing lines lurching all over the place<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
finally the topology of machias seal island <br/>
if it proves to be american<br/>
is a match for that of little diomede island<br/>
& also for that of my view of point roberts<br/>
in that none of these 3 exclaves or supposed exclaves are enclaved in <br/>
anything else<br/>
since they are all right up against an international border<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
--- In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com">BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com</a>, &quot;m06079&quot; &lt;barbaria_longa@h...&gt; <br/>
wrote:<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; --- In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com">BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com</a>, &quot;Lowell G. McManus&quot; <br/>
&gt; &lt;mcmanus71496@m...&gt; wrote:<br/>
&gt; &gt; See below.<br/>
&gt; &gt; <br/>
&gt; &gt; ----- Original Message ----- <br/>
&gt; &gt; From: &quot;acroorca2002&quot; &lt;orc@o...&gt;<br/>
&gt; &gt; To: &lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com">BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com</a>&gt;<br/>
&gt; &gt; Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:47 PM<br/>
&gt; &gt; Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps<br/>
&gt; &gt; <br/>
&gt; &gt; <br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; --- In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com">BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com</a>, &quot;Lowell G. McManus&quot;<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;mcmanus71496@m...&gt; wrote:<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Belatedly, I have now reviewed that particular part of Van <br/>
&gt; Zandt&#39;s<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; BUS&SS.<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; While I can agree that Pacific coastal states can extend their<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; territorial<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; waters no more than 3 nautical miles into the Pacific, I would<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; argue that the<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; waters around Point Roberts are not at all the Pacific Ocean,<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; i would not argue<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; but i am pretty sure the sla actually says<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; 3nm from coasts<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; & doesnt necessarily specify oceanic waters nor distinguish <br/>
&gt; internal<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; ones from them<br/>
&gt; &gt; &gt; & i believe the supremes have basically signed off on this law <br/>
 </span></blockquote>too<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; &gt; &gt; as early as 1954<br/>
&gt; &gt; <br/>
&gt; &gt; You are correct that is does say coasts, but coastlines (from <br/>
 </span></blockquote>which <br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; the three<br/>
&gt; &gt; miles of state waters are measured) have been interpreted by the <br/>
&gt; Supremes as<br/>
&gt; &gt; composed of the shores of oceans and the closing lines of <br/>
 </span></blockquote>internal <br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; waters.<br/>
&gt; &gt; <br/>
&gt; &gt; Lowell G. McManus<br/>
&gt; &gt; Leesville, Louisiana, USA<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; ok as i say <br/>
&gt; hahahaha<br/>
&gt; you & all the maps could well be right<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; the 3nm regime never enters georgia or juan de fuca strait<br/>
&gt; even tho american waters in both their entrances as well as in the <br/>
&gt; waters between them easily clear 3nm much of the way round<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; & this purely as a matter of the closing lines of historic bays<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; very neat<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; neat enough to buy on the spot in fact & change my opinion<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; however<br/>
&gt; usgs is curiously & conspicuously missing the 3nm line everywhere <br/>
&gt; around cape flattery <br/>
&gt; the critical turning & changing point if any<br/>
&gt; & everywhere inland of it<br/>
&gt; & indeed the topos seem to duck the issue most poignantly<br/>
&gt; tho they are crystal clear & state of the art punctilious about <br/>
 </span></blockquote>these <br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; delineations all around oruswa for example<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; so clearly something remains unresolved in reality here rather than <br/>
&gt; only in my mind<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; but i grant there is ample evidence you all may well be right<br/>
&gt; or may be proved right in a real contest<br/>
&gt; & it was good of you to call me on my assertion that there is a <br/>
 </span></blockquote>known <br/>
<blockquote><span title="qreply"> &gt; case of an inland exclave<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; i should have said there is believed to be such a case </span></blockquote></div>