no no thats all wrong
the tripoint hasnt moved & is still wet
my blunder ooooops
& i was right the first time
the extralegal stitch must be of oktx & not arok
ridiculous
i was looking at it upside down in my mind
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "m06079" <barbaria_longa@h...>
wrote:
> ahh well now on further reflection i think this was not correct
> & that we actually have a virgin tripoint position here
>
> for since ok now reaches the right bank oktx line
> & ar reaches the extant aroktx position in the river
> the missing wet stitch must be of arok & not of oktx
>
> so aroktx moves out of the river & onto the right bank
>
> still extralegally but i think unavoidably now
>
> & in that case it is very probably where the prolongation of the
> deviant terminal segment you mention below intersects the right
bank
> veggie line
>
>
> wow
> this calls for a revisit
> & permits an upgrade from the present best visit of class c
> to a class b or a
>
> & bravos to us for finally figuring this out
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
> <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > You are correct that the compact's OKTX does require a lurch or
> stitch to reach
> > the AROKTX tripoint, but I would argue the matter this way:
> >
> > The southern terminus of the AROK boundary was always subject to
> movement
> > northward and southward (nominally) as the vicissitudes of the
> south bank of the
> > Red River required. When the compact took effect, the
> existing "approximate"
> > OKTX moved slightly southward to the vegetation line. I would
> conclude that the
> > practical effect is that the "stitch" from the vegetation line to
> the tripoint
> > would have to align with the accepted AROK boundary (nominally
> north-south, but
> > slightly deviant nevertheless). This is the only interpretation
> that would make
> > any practical sense in the event of any future adoption of a
> similar vegetation
> > line boundary by compact between Arkansas and Texas.
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "acroorca2002" <orc@o...>
> > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:04 AM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River
Borders
> >
> >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus"
> > > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > > Yes! The compact sends cartographers back to the drawing
boards
> > > with their
> > > > erasers in hand. A well-trained monkey could now find the
OKTX
> > > boundary on a
> > > > current aerial photo!
> > >
> > > & i hope you will train him to take short cuts
> > > or he might never finish his job
> > >
> > > but we have been here before
> > > perhaps before your time
> > >
> > > i think the key bp point tho is that the new oktx regime is
> > > fundamentally different from the unchanged artx regime
> > > tho they appear on the outdated topos to be the same regime
> > > in following a series of vegetation lines that have not existed
> since
> > > the time of the first border freezing avulsions shortly after
> texas
> > > statehood
> > >
> > > there is not even any lurch at the aroktx tripoint on these maps
> > >
> > > but since the new oktx pact
> > > there actually is a lurch & an extralegal stitch of oktx
> > > which they evidently never thought of when framing the compact
> > > tho they thought of everything else
> > >
> > > the exact dry oktxe point on the vegetation line
> > > & the path by which oktx travels its wet yes wet terminal stitch
> > > to meet the unchanged wet aroktx tripoint within the active
river
> bed
> > > as still correctly depicted at topozone
> > > are not precisely stated in the new compact
> > >
> > > & these can only be presumed to be one of several nearly
identical
> > > but actually distinct alternative points & paths
> > >
> > > in reality there is a little hole in oktx here
> > > & it is especially interesting because it subjoins the tristate
> point
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The compact says that the implementation and future evolution
of
> > > the vegetation
> > > > line boundary will never affect the ownership of property or
of
> > > tribal
> > > > sovereignty in either state. Each state will recognize land
> titles
> > > that are
> > > > legal under the laws of the other. Property taxes for each
> given
> > > year will be
> > > > owed to whichever jurisdiction contains the property or
whatever
> > > portion of it
> > > > on January 1.
> > > >
> > > > Interestingly, the compact had the general support of
landowners
> > > because it
> > > > brought some sanity to their lives for the first time!
Before
> this
> > > compact, the
> > > > Red River segment of OKTX was the sorriest excuse for a state
> > > boundary in the
> > > > country.
> > > >
> > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA