I guess I just saved an hour.
LN
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Brendan Whyte
> <bwhyte@u...> wrote:
> > Ellis Island:
> >
> > thousandths of a foot? Is this the US going metric without
> going metric? I
> > don't think I've ever seen ruler with 10ths of an inch (only 8ths
> and
> > 16ths), let alone 1000ths.
> >
> > Do you have coords for these points Michael? Where did they
> come from?
>
> this is the supreme court granting its decree on 17may1999
> upon the final report of the special master in the njny case
> which it had decided the previous year as 526us589
> all very probably influenced by the gis technology that was used
>
> so i dont think you will necessarily find any decimal foot rulers
> tho i should tell you decimal inch rulers have long been
> commonplace in the usa
>
> anyway in this case
> a starting point was given in both metric coords & degminsecdec
> to wit nad83 nlat 40d41m54s92285 & wlong 74d02m23s75137
> & note the hundred thousandths of a second here
>
> then a sequence of 182 loxodromes in degminsec & tenths only
> or at least i think they are proper loxodromes
> with the lengths of each being given in feet & thousandths only
> thus the first being n42d10m59s1w
> for 61 feet & 150 thousandths
> & the second being n45d24m54s6w
> for 60 feet & 990 thousandths
> etc etc etc
> til supposedly returning punctiliously to the same starting point
> as indicated also on the blueprint map accompanying the text
>
> it might be fun to check the math tho
> for the composite inaccuracy if any
>
> more below
>
> > Baarle:
> >
> > >happily it appears to be another tossup between 2
> candidates
> > >both looking in this case like about 220 meters
> > >
> > >these can be seen in
> > >http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith//baarle/baarlemap.html
> > >as the irregular pink polygon at upper left near the name
> loveren
> > >& the white quadrilateral 2 scrolls down between k12 & k13
> >
> > At one time I posted a map of Baarle labelling the enclaves N1
> ot N8 and H1
> > to H22. The Louvren enclave of Belgium is H7. It is the
> smallest in area
> > (2469sq metres, or 0.2469ha). The next smallest in area is
> H22, the enclave
> > formed in 1995 in the far west of the commune of
> Baarle-Nassau, from
> > one-third of a field (not shown on the map you linked to). H22
> is 0.2632ha.
> > Perimetrically, the order swaps. H7 has a perimeter of 214m,
> but H22 has a
> > smaller perimeter (because it's almost square, not irregular) of
> 209m.
> > These figures are taken direct from the 1995 minute which
> delimited the
> > enclaves to the nearest cm, and their areas and perimeters to
> the nearest
> > (sq) metre.
> >
> > The military map of Baarle, on Barry Smith's site that you linked
> to is a
> > standard topo map of Baarle, drawn by the Belgian IGM=Institut
> Geographique
> > Militaire. This has since been renamed the IGN=Inst. Geog.
> National. This
> > particular IGM map dates from the 1960s I believe, when the
> exact number
> > and boundaries of the enclaves were unknown. It is only since
> 1995 that we
> > have a formal delimitation and can say how many enclaves
> there are, how
> > large, and what their perimeters are. Because of this, the small
> enclave SW
> > of the word 'mast' between K12 and K13 is fictitious. I spoke
> with someone
> > at Baarle (I forget who: probably a chap at the Cadastre in
> Breda), who
> > agreed it was an error on the map (just as the current Dutch
> topo maps of
> > Baarle are incorrect too, misplacing H22 for example).
> >
> > So, the smallest enclave at Baarle has a 209m perimeter, and
> is H22, the
> > new one in the far west.
>
> wonderful
> thank you
> so this is the boundary length to beat
> at cooch behar
> or around bwnazmzw if it is ever settled
> or anywhere that it can be beat
>
> > As for Cooch Behar, there are enclaves there as small as
> 0.27acres.
>
> ok
> this smallest cooch behar clave is thus probably the smallest
> international clave in the whole world too then
> or wouldnt you agree
>
> but more below
>
> > As
> > there are 2.47 acres per ha, this gives it an area of 0.1093ha,
> or 1093sq
> > metres. I have no idea of its true shape, but if square, it would
> have
> > sides of 33m, and a perimeters of 4x33m=132m. It is probably
> not square,
> > but will not be highly irregular either, as the edges of the
> enclaves
> > mostly follow rice paddy bunds (known locally as 'ails': see my
> thesis),
> > which are generally rectangular in shape.
>
> if we can confirm completely geodetic bounds for this baby
> &or for any of its near sizemates
> then i think we probably do have the basis for proceeding further
> toward either proclaiming it outright
> or selecting the most promising single or several candidates for
> shortest border in the world
>
> but its or their perimeters would all have to be individually
> measured or computed
> since area & perimeter can be out of all proportion to each other
>
>
> for the time being
> i agree we have about an 8 to 5 shot on cooch behar to win
> but i believe this still is & will remain a horse race
> until all the details are known
>
> which practically forces me to ask you brendan
> do you think you even can nail the necessary final data down
> for purposes of definitely answering the question
>
> or are these details likely to remain as murky & imponderable as
> the already outstanding question about the suspected second
> cooch behar border cross
>
> both are fairly lively & worthy questions in my opinion
> if you can think of how any more progress can be made on them
>
> > If the Zim/Zam/Bot/Nam boundary turns out to be a point, it will
> be the
> > shortest in the world, and if the lines don't meet at a point, it
will
> > still be a strong contender.
> >
> > but for the moment, despite the lack of precision, Cooch Behar
> beats Baarle
> > for boundary brevity by about 8:5
> >
> > B