Hi.
I'll do that. I need time to go through the list thoroughly, take
Brendan's 1 meter x 1 meter map, find the location of each of the
small ones and I'll get back to you with details. Probably tomorrow.
Len
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> great len then you may already have right there in front of you all
> the data needed for answering both questions
>
> first
> by just finding the cooch behar clave with the least acreage
> you will very probably have found the smallest clave in the world
>
> & btw have you actually done so
> &or can you actually do so now
> just to tie down this not insignificant loose end
>
>
> but then back to the original question too
> any clave with an area of less than about 2 thirds of an acre
> provided you can fully confirm that it has a fully geodetic border
> stands a chance then of having the shortest border in the world
> depending on its full yet possibly still elusive particular zigzags
>
>
> & i dont know if you really do have all the necessary data there
> to solve for both questions
> but it sounds as tho you might
> or might at least be able to surround the border length question
> by pointing to all the best candidates of the above description
> for subsequent closer examination if necessary
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
> <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > Ooops is right.
> > I just thumbed through Brendan's thesis and found a list with
> > surprises. Here's an extract:
> >
> > District & /J.L. No Enclave Name Area
> > Mathabanga Police Sta (district)
> > 133 Bhogramguri 1.44 acres
> >
> > Mekliganj P.S.
> > 153/P Chhit Panisala 0.27 acres
> > 101/J Chhit Fulkudabri 0.88 acres
> > 115/L Chhit Upanchowki/
> > Kuchlibari 0.32 acrea
> >
> > skimming through, I found eight others under 1 acre.
> >
> > Most are not on rivers so "fractals" are out.
> >
> > Regards
> > LN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002"
> <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > oops
> > > in favor of cooch behar rather than against it is its average
> clave
> > > size of about 60 hectares
> > > compared to baarles average clave size of about 280
> hectares
> > >
> > > & however this edge is softened by the fractalizing net of
> rivers
> > > it still means the smallest claves are correspondingly more
> likely
> > > to be found at cooch behar than at baarle
> > > if not also the claves of shortest perimeter
> > >
> > > for shortest perimeter & smallest area are 2 separate &
> perhaps
> > > equally interesting questions
> > > possibly but not at all necessarily resolvable by a single
> answer
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002"
> > > <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > thanx for the tries len
> > > > but why do you think so
> > > >
> > > > you &or brendan may well know some hard facts i need
> > > > but i settled on baarle first because it is substantially urban
> > > > while cooch behar is substantially rural
> > > > so even tho in densest asia as well as more numerous
> > > > the smallest bengali farmsteads still mightnt be so small
> as
> > > the
> > > > smallest house lots in downtown baarle
> > > >
> > > > but besides that
> > > > the bengali claves are notoriously fractal too
> > > > reportedly often involving streams etc
> > > >
> > > > so for both reasons
> > > > i dont see a great likelihood of a real winner of under 220
> > > meters
> > > > geodetic in cooch behar
> > > > not at first glance anyway
> > > > tho perhaps an asterisk taker
> > > >
> > > > but anyway you are certainly right that such a major
> probability
> > > > needs to be actually exhausted rather than just blown off
> > > > & brendan probably does know at least all the hectarages
> > > > even if not all the other necessary particulars
> > > > so he & we might know at a glance whether there even is a
> > > > serious candidate to detain ourselves over in cooch behar
> > > > before proceeding to compare the baarle candidates
> > > > which i think is where i am still headed anyway
> > > > tho there is always room for course correction if warranted
> > > >
> > > > also maybe brendan will get back to us at the same time
> about
> > > > his ongoing investigation into whether there is or isnt a
> second
> > > > border cross in cooch behar too
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > the erstwhile cis farm boundary
> > > > if that is the one you mean
> > > > is presumably out of date
> > > > whatever its length may have been
> > > >
> > > > & the gibraltar example is like penon de velez de la gomera
> > > > only longer
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
> > > > <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > > > I think if you check with Brendan, he'll find Bangladesh
> > > > enclaves so
> > > > > small that the border around them will beat the border
> > > around
> > > > any
> > > > > little piece of Baarle that you might find.
> > > > >
> > > > > There was also the little border around a piece of
> property in
> > > > one of
> > > > > the CIS states we found (have a map somewhere), and
> then
> > > > there's the
> > > > > Gibraltar-Spain border which is so short one can walk it
> in
> > > > fifteen
> > > > > minutes at most.
> > > > >
> > > > > LN
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002"
> > > > <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > > > we have already nominated the narrow neck between
> > > > morocco &
> > > > > > spain at penon de velez de la gomera
> > > > > > worlds shortest international dry boundary
> > > > > > & have even made plans to dig it up & reduce it to the
> > > > vanishing
> > > > > > point at high tide
> > > > > > just for the fun of it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > however the esmo border there presumably already
> > > > continues
> > > > > > out to sea delimiting miles of territorial waters in both
> > > > directions
> > > > > >
> > > > > > so the border there is only the landlubbers shortest
> rather
> > > > than
> > > > > > the actual shortest border in the world
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the search for the actual shortest tho has led me to
> baarle
> > > > > >
> > > > > > happily it appears to be another tossup between 2
> > > > candidates
> > > > > > both looking in this case like about 220 meters
> > > > > >
> > > > > > these can be seen in
> > > > > >
> http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith//baarle/baarlemap.html
> > > > > > as the irregular pink polygon at upper left near the
> name
> > > > loveren
> > > > > > & the white quadrilateral 2 scrolls down between k12 &
> k13
> > > > > >
> > > > > > so my questions are
> > > > > > can anyone give more exact border lengths for these 2
> > > claves
> > > > > > or possibly better yet
> > > > > > can anyone find a shorter international border
> anywhere
> > > else