great len then you may already have right there in front of you all
the data needed for answering both questions
first
by just finding the cooch behar clave with the least acreage
you will very probably have found the smallest clave in the world
& btw have you actually done so
&or can you actually do so now
just to tie down this not insignificant loose end
but then back to the original question too
any clave with an area of less than about 2 thirds of an acre
provided you can fully confirm that it has a fully geodetic border
stands a chance then of having the shortest border in the world
depending on its full yet possibly still elusive particular zigzags
& i dont know if you really do have all the necessary data there
to solve for both questions
but it sounds as tho you might
or might at least be able to surround the border length question
by pointing to all the best candidates of the above description
for subsequent closer examination if necessary
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
<lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> Ooops is right.
> I just thumbed through Brendan's thesis and found a list with
> surprises. Here's an extract:
>
> District & /J.L. No Enclave Name Area
> Mathabanga Police Sta (district)
> 133 Bhogramguri 1.44 acres
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> Mekliganj P.S.
> 153/P Chhit Panisala 0.27 acres
> 101/J Chhit Fulkudabri 0.88 acres
> 115/L Chhit Upanchowki/
> Kuchlibari 0.32 acrea
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> skimming through, I found eight others under 1 acre.
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> Most are not on rivers so "fractals" are out.
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> Regards
> LN
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> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002"
<orc@o...> wrote:
> > oops
> > in favor of cooch behar rather than against it is its average
clave
> > size of about 60 hectares
> > compared to baarles average clave size of about 280
hectares
> >
> > & however this edge is softened by the fractalizing net of
rivers
> > it still means the smallest claves are correspondingly more
likely
> > to be found at cooch behar than at baarle
> > if not also the claves of shortest perimeter
> >
> > for shortest perimeter & smallest area are 2 separate &
perhaps
> > equally interesting questions
> > possibly but not at all necessarily resolvable by a single
answer
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002"
> > <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > thanx for the tries len
> > > but why do you think so
> > >
> > > you &or brendan may well know some hard facts i need
> > > but i settled on baarle first because it is substantially urban
> > > while cooch behar is substantially rural
> > > so even tho in densest asia as well as more numerous
> > > the smallest bengali farmsteads still mightnt be so small
as
> > the
> > > smallest house lots in downtown baarle
> > >
> > > but besides that
> > > the bengali claves are notoriously fractal too
> > > reportedly often involving streams etc
> > >
> > > so for both reasons
> > > i dont see a great likelihood of a real winner of under 220
> > meters
> > > geodetic in cooch behar
> > > not at first glance anyway
> > > tho perhaps an asterisk taker
> > >
> > > but anyway you are certainly right that such a major
probability
> > > needs to be actually exhausted rather than just blown off
> > > & brendan probably does know at least all the hectarages
> > > even if not all the other necessary particulars
> > > so he & we might know at a glance whether there even is a
> > > serious candidate to detain ourselves over in cooch behar
> > > before proceeding to compare the baarle candidates
> > > which i think is where i am still headed anyway
> > > tho there is always room for course correction if warranted
> > >
> > > also maybe brendan will get back to us at the same time
about
> > > his ongoing investigation into whether there is or isnt a
second
> > > border cross in cooch behar too
> > >
> > >
> > > the erstwhile cis farm boundary
> > > if that is the one you mean
> > > is presumably out of date
> > > whatever its length may have been
> > >
> > > & the gibraltar example is like penon de velez de la gomera
> > > only longer
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
> > > <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > > I think if you check with Brendan, he'll find Bangladesh
> > > enclaves so
> > > > small that the border around them will beat the border
> > around
> > > any
> > > > little piece of Baarle that you might find.
> > > >
> > > > There was also the little border around a piece of
property in
> > > one of
> > > > the CIS states we found (have a map somewhere), and
then
> > > there's the
> > > > Gibraltar-Spain border which is so short one can walk it
in
> > > fifteen
> > > > minutes at most.
> > > >
> > > > LN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002"
> > > <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > > we have already nominated the narrow neck between
> > > morocco &
> > > > > spain at penon de velez de la gomera
> > > > > worlds shortest international dry boundary
> > > > > & have even made plans to dig it up & reduce it to the
> > > vanishing
> > > > > point at high tide
> > > > > just for the fun of it
> > > > >
> > > > > however the esmo border there presumably already
> > > continues
> > > > > out to sea delimiting miles of territorial waters in both
> > > directions
> > > > >
> > > > > so the border there is only the landlubbers shortest
rather
> > > than
> > > > > the actual shortest border in the world
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > the search for the actual shortest tho has led me to
baarle
> > > > >
> > > > > happily it appears to be another tossup between 2
> > > candidates
> > > > > both looking in this case like about 220 meters
> > > > >
> > > > > these can be seen in
> > > > >
http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith//baarle/baarlemap.html
> > > > > as the irregular pink polygon at upper left near the
name
> > > loveren
> > > > > & the white quadrilateral 2 scrolls down between k12 &
k13
> > > > >
> > > > > so my questions are
> > > > > can anyone give more exact border lengths for these 2
> > claves
> > > > > or possibly better yet
> > > > > can anyone find a shorter international border
anywhere
> > else