Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] NYNJ - My take<br/>
Date: May 13, 2003 @ 23:55<br/>
Author: Arif Samad (Arif Samad &lt;fHoiberg@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1948416854">I considered writing this message just to Kevin, but I<br/>
thought members of the group might support or oppose<br/>
my viewpoint to educate me more.<br/>
I totally understand how you think that Ellis Island<br/>
is a NJ area with NY jurisdiction and obviously I<br/>
can&#39;t (and I am not) excluding the possibility that it<br/>
is such a case.  There is also nothing to exclude the<br/>
possibility that it is a true state line.  However<br/>
much you adhere to your reading of the 1834 treaty, it<br/>
does not exclude the second possibility even though it<br/>
might discount it.  I haven&#39;t found a passage that<br/>
specifically says that the boundary is not a true<br/>
state boundary (I probably haven&#39;t looked at it as<br/>
carefully as you, so you might educate me on that).<br/>
What I don&#39;t understand is how you harp on the fact<br/>
the similar, but not same, languages used for two<br/>
different items has to mean two different positions. <br/>
Treaty-makers are known for persnicketyness and they<br/>
write way more than they need to and that looks to be<br/>
the case here.  I mean, Versailles Treaty could have<br/>
just said that Germany lost and has to give everything<br/>
up, but no, they have to write millions of words. <br/>
The way I look at it, there are too many maps, too<br/>
many magazines and too many sentences in the goverment<br/>
documents to make the possibility of a true state line<br/>
much higher.  Even the supreme court uses the word<br/>
sovereignty on the subject of Ellis Island.  There are<br/>
many trials where a criminal was convicted with less<br/>
circumstantial evidence.  If you ever find a map or<br/>
magazine that supports your position, let me know.    <br/>
<br/>
About your comment on magazines, I have read too many<br/>
magazines to know that you are right about questioning<br/>
a magzine.  But in the same breath, I can&#39;t also<br/>
assume you are right over what looks like a geography<br/>
magazine and many other documents.<br/>
Arif<br/>
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