This is an "easement". Another administrative exercize of
sovereignty. It would be interesting to learn whether the term
"unbeschraenkt" (unqualified, unrestricted) even allows Switzerland to
take and use all the water the spring produces. I wouldn't want to be
the owner of the property and in the spring water business.
I've walked this border, and what is/was most interesting is the tank
barriers stretching between the mountains to the east and west just on
the Swiss side of the border. Considering that there is a customs
union between the two countries and anyone can cross the border with
no control whatsoever, it seems that Switzerland had deliberately left
protecting the borders forming the perimeter of the customs area
formed by the borders of Liechtenstein outside of its defense cordon
whenever it put the barriers up. About three miles south, beyond the
border, further into the mountain pass inside Switzerland, there is a
military fortress that one must drive through to get to the first town
on the other end of the pass. There is a runway for jet aircraft in
the woods nearby and caves with doors that open. I can see where
water would be needed to support all of that.
LN
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "chris schulz" <23568@g...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> heres the text of a treaty between Liechtenstein and Switzerland
from 1948.
> its about a spring close to the common border, thats in
Liechtenstein, but Switzerland gets "unbeschränktes Benützungs- und
Zutrittsrecht".
> On maps i couldnt find the spring.
> When i read the treaty first, i understood, that the border was
changed to make the spring switzerland territory, but i got a mail,
that stated, that the spring is still on liechtenstein territory.
>
> http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/i1/0.132.514.1.de.pdf
>
> does anyone have more detailed information?
>
> Regards, Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Asher Samuels
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
>
>
> Is the border marked anywhere on the island? If so, it might be
worth a trip
> the next time I'm in New York to get the photo.
>
> Asher
> --- acroorca2002 <orc@o...> wrote:
> > kevin is right
> >
> > & there is no longer any njny dispute here
> > so far as i know
> > nor anything to square with anything
> > so far as i can see
> > but apparently just the usual extravagance of misunderstanding
> >
> > the only purely federal territories are the district of columbia
> > & the several federal territorial seas
> > lying everywhere between the 12nm limits of national jurisdiction
> > & the seaward limits of the coastal states & territories
> >
> > the ellis island situation falls in neither of these categories
> > but is just an allocation of federally controlled land to the
> > territories of 2 states
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
> > <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > How does your reply square with what CNN wrote in its report
> > on the
> > > Supreme Court case from the end of May 03 where it stated:
> > >
> > > "As a result, most of the island in New York Harbor from now
> > on must
> > > be considered Ellis Island, New Jersey"?
> > >
> > > I agree the Feds don't have a mini-DC there, but the
> > Sumpreme Court
> > > only said, apparently, that the Feds don't have the right to
alter
> > the
> > > border of two states at that point. Does the dispute go on?
> > >
> > > LN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Flynn, Kevin"
> > <flynnk@r...> wrote:
> > > > Ellis Island, while owned by the federal government, is not
> > federal
> > > > territory with a boundary to be established. The 3-acre +/-
> > original
> > > island
> > > > is NY and the infill surrounding area, and surrounding
> > waters, is NJ.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: L. A. Nadybal [mailto:lnadybal@c...]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:15 PM
> > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002"
> > <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > > in reply to craig:
> > > >
> > > > >"it is noteworthy that the ellis island njny loop was
originally
> > > > >fractal but since it is based today on a former rather than
the
> > present
> > > > >shoreline the supreme court adjudicator or special master
> > was forced to
> > > > >rationalize the line into a series of plotted points"
> > > >
> > > > That wouldn't come into play as an aswer to the question
> > about
> > > > "interstate" boundaries, because the part of Ellis Island that
> > is
> > > > federal would make it the second place within the country
> > that is not
> > > > a part of any state. For that reason, we couldn't consider the
> > DC-VA
> > > > border in trying to answer the question. There's got to be a
> > tripoint
> > > > at one place on the perimiter of the federal portion of Ellis
> > island
> > > > and another at some other location on the perimiter from
> > which the
> > > > joint border continues anew. NJ-NY will not have a common
> > border
> > > > where the federal portion interrupts.
> > > >
> > > > And, to close off with the "but..." question? Did the Supreme
> > Court
> > > > actually say that the plot of federal land on the island is not
> > part
> > > > of either state or did the court do a "favorite" and leave
things
> > > > ambiguous by saying only that neither state had jurisdiction?
> > > >
> > > > LN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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