yes this was the intention as of the 1998 materials we just saw
but it might be worth a trip in any case just to find out if the work
has been done yet
& in case all the defining turnpoints are marked on the ground
& the compact has been legally ratified
then lets bring a measuring stick too
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Asher Samuels
<asher972@y...> wrote:
> Is the border marked anywhere on the island? If so, it might be
worth a trip
> the next time I'm in New York to get the photo.
>
> Asher
> --- acroorca2002 <orc@o...> wrote:
> > kevin is right
> >
> > & there is no longer any njny dispute here
> > so far as i know
> > nor anything to square with anything
> > so far as i can see
> > but apparently just the usual extravagance of
misunderstanding
> >
> > the only purely federal territories are the district of columbia
> > & the several federal territorial seas
> > lying everywhere between the 12nm limits of national
jurisdiction
> > & the seaward limits of the coastal states & territories
> >
> > the ellis island situation falls in neither of these categories
> > but is just an allocation of federally controlled land to the
> > territories of 2 states
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
> > <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > How does your reply square with what CNN wrote in its
report
> > on the
> > > Supreme Court case from the end of May 03 where it
stated:
> > >
> > > "As a result, most of the island in New York Harbor from
now
> > on must
> > > be considered Ellis Island, New Jersey"?
> > >
> > > I agree the Feds don't have a mini-DC there, but the
> > Sumpreme Court
> > > only said, apparently, that the Feds don't have the right to
alter
> > the
> > > border of two states at that point. Does the dispute go on?
> > >
> > > LN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Flynn, Kevin"
> > <flynnk@r...> wrote:
> > > > Ellis Island, while owned by the federal government, is
not
> > federal
> > > > territory with a boundary to be established. The 3-acre +/-
> > original
> > > island
> > > > is NY and the infill surrounding area, and surrounding
> > waters, is NJ.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: L. A. Nadybal [mailto:lnadybal@c...]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:15 PM
> > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002"
> > <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > > in reply to craig:
> > > >
> > > > >"it is noteworthy that the ellis island njny loop was
originally
> > > > >fractal but since it is based today on a former rather than
the
> > present
> > > > >shoreline the supreme court adjudicator or special
master
> > was forced to
> > > > >rationalize the line into a series of plotted points"
> > > >
> > > > That wouldn't come into play as an aswer to the question
> > about
> > > > "interstate" boundaries, because the part of Ellis Island
that
> > is
> > > > federal would make it the second place within the country
> > that is not
> > > > a part of any state. For that reason, we couldn't consider
the
> > DC-VA
> > > > border in trying to answer the question. There's got to be
a
> > tripoint
> > > > at one place on the perimiter of the federal portion of Ellis
> > island
> > > > and another at some other location on the perimiter from
> > which the
> > > > joint border continues anew. NJ-NY will not have a
common
> > border
> > > > where the federal portion interrupts.
> > > >
> > > > And, to close off with the "but..." question? Did the
Supreme
> > Court
> > > > actually say that the plot of federal land on the island is
not
> > part
> > > > of either state or did the court do a "favorite" and leave
things
> > > > ambiguous by saying only that neither state had
jurisdiction?
> > > >
> > > > LN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
> >
> >
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