Is the border marked anywhere on the island? If so, it might be worth a trip
the next time I'm in New York to get the photo.
Asher
--- acroorca2002 <
orc@...> wrote:
> kevin is right
>
> & there is no longer any njny dispute here
> so far as i know
> nor anything to square with anything
> so far as i can see
> but apparently just the usual extravagance of misunderstanding
>
> the only purely federal territories are the district of columbia
> & the several federal territorial seas
> lying everywhere between the 12nm limits of national jurisdiction
> & the seaward limits of the coastal states & territories
>
> the ellis island situation falls in neither of these categories
> but is just an allocation of federally controlled land to the
> territories of 2 states
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
> <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > How does your reply square with what CNN wrote in its report
> on the
> > Supreme Court case from the end of May 03 where it stated:
> >
> > "As a result, most of the island in New York Harbor from now
> on must
> > be considered Ellis Island, New Jersey"?
> >
> > I agree the Feds don't have a mini-DC there, but the
> Sumpreme Court
> > only said, apparently, that the Feds don't have the right to alter
> the
> > border of two states at that point. Does the dispute go on?
> >
> > LN
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Flynn, Kevin"
> <flynnk@r...> wrote:
> > > Ellis Island, while owned by the federal government, is not
> federal
> > > territory with a boundary to be established. The 3-acre +/-
> original
> > island
> > > is NY and the infill surrounding area, and surrounding
> waters, is NJ.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: L. A. Nadybal [mailto:lnadybal@c...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:15 PM
> > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002"
> <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > in reply to craig:
> > >
> > > >"it is noteworthy that the ellis island njny loop was originally
> > > >fractal but since it is based today on a former rather than the
> present
> > > >shoreline the supreme court adjudicator or special master
> was forced to
> > > >rationalize the line into a series of plotted points"
> > >
> > > That wouldn't come into play as an aswer to the question
> about
> > > "interstate" boundaries, because the part of Ellis Island that
> is
> > > federal would make it the second place within the country
> that is not
> > > a part of any state. For that reason, we couldn't consider the
> DC-VA
> > > border in trying to answer the question. There's got to be a
> tripoint
> > > at one place on the perimiter of the federal portion of Ellis
> island
> > > and another at some other location on the perimiter from
> which the
> > > joint border continues anew. NJ-NY will not have a common
> border
> > > where the federal portion interrupts.
> > >
> > > And, to close off with the "but..." question? Did the Supreme
> Court
> > > actually say that the plot of federal land on the island is not
> part
> > > of either state or did the court do a "favorite" and leave things
> > > ambiguous by saying only that neither state had jurisdiction?
> > >
> > > LN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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