i forgot to tell, that in my map i couldnt see,
that budzisko was closed.
the fotos are in some way result of some funny
casualities.
we went to budzisko with the idea to enter
lithuania. it was, because budzisko was closer to suwalki, were we arrived by
train. only thing, that made me wonder was this amazing quiteness along the way
to the budzisko checkpoint...
later we hitchhiked to ogrodniki with the black car
to see on the first foto on "border-pics LT-PL".
the driver could pass through, we had to stay at
the border.
chris
ps i have fotos from the train-situaion
suwalki-sestokai 2 years later. i will find them ánd send them.
but you cant see borderguards,... just the
situation of transfer of goods...
by the way: nice little story about this train: the
train from sestokai to suwalki was more or less de- and reconstructed three
times everytime it crossed the border: first time by people hiding things,
second time by borderguards searching for smuggling goods, third and last
time by people getting there things back from the hiding
places.
it was very impressive to me, because the train
didnt seem to be in good condition to be a hiding place for goods (as
result of the permanent de- and reconstructing...) - the borderguards didnt
find anything.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:50
PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
Border-Pics II from closed Border-Point Budzisko PL-LT (PL-SU)
hi karolis,
yes, i took the photos myself. i was in vilnius
in 1991 only two days after the killings at medininkai. i stood until the 27th of august, so i saw some things in
those days of falling lenins in vilnius and klaipeda. after coming home to
berlin and watching news about lithuania in the following days i decided to go
back to my friends, but failed as a non-red-cross-member :-(
but this was not my first visit in lithuania.
first time was for 4 weeks in summer of 1990 during economic blockade in
giruliai, close to klaipeda.
my idea about plates is result to the fact of the
different hymns of the soviet republics.
regards, chris
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:40
AM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
Border-Pics II from closed Border-Point Budzisko PL-LT (PL-SU)
> its a pity, i didn't got a more clear foto of the
details of the
metal plate on the post in ogrodniki..
I strongly
believe that it's a metal plate with a globe with hammer
and sickle
superimposed and wheats around it with a ribbon rolled
around them with
"workers of the world unite" in 15 languages. As you
have guessed by now
it of course is the USSR Coat of Arms.
> can it be, that they
differed from soviet-republic to soviet-
republic?
NONONONONONO,
how do you, comrade, dear question the homogenity of
Party, Peoples, and
only then State, in the unbreakable Union of
freeborn republics??? Do
you need some time in GULAG to sober up your
thoughts?!?!
:))
> in this case, there would have been a
special soviet-lithuanian
plate on this post.
no way, they even
abolished republic-specific birth certificates
after few years. Though
it does seem that Soviet border markers do
fall at or very near
tripoints of two republics and foreign country
(such as
LTPLRU)
>
> chris
>
> Has the
Soviet border markers stayed the same colourwise etc
after they were
changed to Russian?
They have done nothing to the markers other than
taken off the metal
soviet hammers and sickles and screwed on ALUMINUM
Russian Federation
eagles with NO COUNTRY NAME.
see on Jan's site
at
http://home.no.net/enklaver/borders/ltplru/ltplru_russian_bm.htm
Also
use Chris' photos and Jan's site to compare the exact same one
marker at
Budzisko/Kalvarija crossing. Unbelievable changes! It was
on the side of
the road and now it is in the median! LTPL crossings
are interesting in
that the different sides of the road are in
deifferent countries at the
same spot in the road for a stretch.
Anyway, Chris, thatk you for
these extremely interesting pictures!
Did you take them
yourself??
>
> On Chris photos they are
red/green.
>
> On this from FIRU they are also
red/green
http://manila.djh.dk/finland/stories/storyreader$9,
but could be an
pre-1991 photo.
>
> But this
PLRU is probably post-1991 http://www.chem.tu-
freiberg.de/~herzog/Ostpreussen/Anreise.htm
(also not the small real
border marker.)
>
>
Jesper
>
>
> ----- Original
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> From: chris schulz
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 7:30
PM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Border-Pics II
from closed Border-
Point Budzisko PL-LT (PL-SU)
>
>
> Hi,
>
> today there exist two
PL-LT-Border.Crossings,
> the second one was
closed in this times end of August 1991.
>
> here come some pictures of the closed
one.
>
> pic1: first
announcement
> pic2: coming close to the
border
> pic3: looking to lithuanian
direction
> pic3-det:
border-posts
> pic4: the empty border-guards
house
>
> regards, chris
>
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