Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OKTX --finally! figures
Date: Apr 19, 2003 @ 01:48
Author: jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
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Michael,
Does this discussion have any bearing on the status of AR-OK-TX tri-point?  As
I recall we thought it was wet, but at the OK-TX corner it should be on the bank.
According to bus&ss it continues on the south bank to the N-S line that comes
up from the 32nd parallel at the Sabine River. So, on the short stretch of the river
east of the OK-TX corner the line continues on the south bank and there should
be a true tri-point.  Or is this one of those places where the river has shifted?
 
Jack
 
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From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@...]
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To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OKTX --finally! figures

for kevin joe or anyone else interested in seeking the most
punctilious possible truth here
first a fast easy crash course in fractal maths
http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/database/qq.09.95/lewis1.html
http://www.exploratorium.edu/complexity/lexicon/fractals.html
http://www.mindgames.com/mb.phtml
http://www.calresco.org/fractal.htm
& then the actual legal definition of the actual boundary sector we
have been talking about
from bus&ss
as follows

the boundary has been defined since 1824 or earlier as
the right or south bank of the red river
& this was accepted by the supreme court in 1896
& reaffirmed in 1921

but as for what constitutes this bank
it was necessary for the court to add in 1923
the bank intended is the waterwashed & relatively permanent
elevation or acclivity at the outer line of the river bed which
separates the bed from the adjacent upland
& the boundary intended is on & along the bank at the average or
mean level attained by the waters in the periods when they reach
& wash the bank without overflowing it

the bed of the stream was defined as including all of the area
which is kept practically bare of vegetation by the wash of the
waters of the river from year to year
& excluding the lateral valleys which have the characteristics of
relatively fast land & usually are covered by upland grasses &
vegetation
tho temporarily overflowed in exceptional instances when the
river is at flood


so the boundary is defined
indeed far more definitely than most river boundaries
& one could follow if not actually measure it by this definition as
recently as 1923
along a visible water line that had been formed on visible
individual sand particles clinging to a bank

however
this line in the sand has certainly changed
microscopically but actually
not only with every splash of the river ever since 1923
but with every gust of wind as well
etc etc
& it has kept gaining &or losing a particle here &or a particle
there
happily ever after

highly streamlined approximations of that original boundary line
but of course not the particulate boundary line itself
are preserved in places on the usgs topos
where they are labelled for that reason approximate boundary

but the actual & exact boundary represented by those
approximations cant even be known any longer today
nor can it ever be truly measured
unless its definition is changed in such a way as to make it
measurable


i hope that helps anyone who wanted it

& of course you are all free to believe whatever you like

but in bp terms
which is to say
punctologically speaking
there is such a thing as best available truth
& reaching for it is a big part of our play here all the time
& i feel we have long since reached it on this question