On Wednesday 09 April 2003 01:24 pm, you wrote:
Then it would be an oreo.
BJB

> very interesting
> & i am going to wait for victor to return before shooting my mouth
> off again
> because i bet he will have a view of the capstone
> my preferred guess
>
> yet meanwhile i am feasting my eyes on the extreme
> discoloration & stylistic difference of the pedestal from the rest of
> the monument in your pic
> as well as the partial restoration of coloration that was also
> evidently performed on this peculiarly 1850ish looking rather
> than 1890ish looking pedestal
> suggested they may once have been pretty well matched
> say when reconstructed in 1894
>
> but the possibly newer stone on top hasnt weathered so darkly
> as the possibly older stone below it
> which thus could actually be the original 1849 base
> never displaced
> but only as they say reconstructed
>
> still just guessing wildly
> but what if it has a dark capstone too
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Brian J. Butler
>
> <bjbutler@b...> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 09 April 2003 12:05 pm, you wrote:
> > Here is a picture of the east side of the monument. Hard to tell
>
> whether any
>
> > of the monument is older. I might have some closer photos, I'll
>
> check.
>
> > http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/photos/CASMonument.jpg
> >
> > BJB
> >
> > > victor
> > > most handsome & pertinent too
> > >
> > > indeed you appear already to have put your finger on the final
> > > answer
> > > by directing our attention to the apparently key word
> > > reconstructed
> > > suggesting that the original 1849 rock has somehow been
> > > incorporated here into the 1894 reconstruction
> > >
> > > so given this apparent testimony
> > > my guess would be that the 1849 original was in fact not
> > > discarded in 1894
> > > as the 1798 caus original evidently was in 1817
> > > but became the core &or capstone of the present monument
> > > say along the lines of the armook reconstruction we just saw
> > > or else the old stone is presented by & present within the
> > > present monument in some other less obvious way
> > >
> > > but can you further encourage such a surmise
> > > from your memory &or pix
> > > because if so then that would mean we are already
>
> practically
>
> > > looking at the clear victor here
> > > as i believe we are
> > > & need search no farther afield
> > > but need only find & zero in further on the visibly older part if
>
> any
>
> > > of monument 258
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Victor Cantore
> > >
> > > <drpotatoes@y...> wrote:
> > > > mike,
> > > >
> > > > monument 258 on usmx was placed on oct 10 1849 and
>
> the
>
> > > > actual one there today was reconstructed in 1894.
> > > >
> > > > the Mexican side of the monument uses the word
> > > > 'fijado' (fixed) and the US side uses the word
> > > > 'established' to confirm that date. The treaty date is
> > > > also mentioned separately.
> > > >
> > > > also, by use of the word 'Intial' one can assume that
> > > > this was the first marker placed on usmx. Everything i
> > > > have read on the subject confirms that as well.
> > > >
> > > > i do have a photo of the caazbc marker (#207) as well
> > > > no close ups though.
> > > >
> > > > vc
> > > >
> > > > --- m donner <maxivan82@h...> wrote:
> > > > > according to
> > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~dawise/Maine.htm
> > > > > the oldest known extant caus monument dates from
> > > > > 1817
> > > > > but it was a replacement for a 1798 original
> > > > > which was itself the first monument on the caus line
> > > > > or rather on what was then the gbus line
> > > > >
> > > > > the position marked by these stones
> > > > > at the source of the st croix river
> > > > > or roughly halfway up the maine new brunswick
> > > > > boundary
> > > > > is shown in
>
> http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=5087872&e594362&s=2
>
> > > 5&symshow=n
> > >
> > > > > &
>
> http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=5087872&e594362&sym
>
> > > show=n
> > >
> > > > > as can be seen there
> > > > > the extant stone also marks the aroostook carlton
> > > > > york tricounty point
> > > > > as well as the trimunicipal point formed by amity
> > > > > township & north lake &
> > > > > richmond parishes
> > > > > at a single multi distinguished position thus named
> > > > > caus2menb3arcayo4amnori
> > > > > tho the ibc calls it simply monument number 1
> > > > >
> > > > > & no pix as it is a virgin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > the first position marked on mxus
> > > > > according to bus&ss
> > > > > dates from around 1850
> > > > > & is now occupied by monument 258
> > > > > which you probably recall is the terminal rock
> > > > > overlooking the pacific at
> > > > > tijuana imperial beach
> > > > >
> > > > > but whether the present monument 258 incorporated
> > > > > the original or merely
> > > > > replaced it isnt known
> > > > > as the date of monument 258 itself isnt available
> > > > > & it could easily be much later
> > > > > judging from the pix we have seen of it
> > > > >
> > > > > if so
> > > > > then the oldest extant stone on mxus could be
> > > > > anywhere
> > > > >
> > > > > but
> > > > > also according to bus&ss
> > > > > there are 6 other prime candidates from the same
> > > > > original bcca survey also
> > > > > including especially the opposite bcca terminal rock
> > > > > which is the one nearest azbcca & the mexican cable
> > > > > car tower on the
> > > > > colorado river
> > > > > & which struck me as being quite old
> > > > > tho i neglected to photograph it
> > > > >
> > > > > but checking the dates on these 2 terminal rocks
> > > > > alone might be sufficient
> > > > > to settle the matter
> > > > > without having to look for any of their 5 slightly
> > > > > younger survey mates
> > > > > also possibly still standing somewhere in between
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