Subject: Re: caus & mxus initial points & oldest stones
Date: Apr 09, 2003 @ 17:24
Author: acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
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> On Wednesday 09 April 2003 12:05 pm, you wrote:whether any
> Here is a picture of the east side of the monument. Hard to tell
> of the monument is older. I might have some closer photos, I'llcheck.
>practically
> http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/photos/CASMonument.jpg
>
> BJB
>
> > victor
> > most handsome & pertinent too
> >
> > indeed you appear already to have put your finger on the final
> > answer
> > by directing our attention to the apparently key word
> > reconstructed
> > suggesting that the original 1849 rock has somehow been
> > incorporated here into the 1894 reconstruction
> >
> > so given this apparent testimony
> > my guess would be that the 1849 original was in fact not
> > discarded in 1894
> > as the 1798 caus original evidently was in 1817
> > but became the core &or capstone of the present monument
> > say along the lines of the armook reconstruction we just saw
> > or else the old stone is presented by & present within the
> > present monument in some other less obvious way
> >
> > but can you further encourage such a surmise
> > from your memory &or pix
> > because if so then that would mean we are already
> > looking at the clear victor hereany
> > as i believe we are
> > & need search no farther afield
> > but need only find & zero in further on the visibly older part if
> > of monument 258the
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Victor Cantore
> >
> > <drpotatoes@y...> wrote:
> > > mike,
> > >
> > > monument 258 on usmx was placed on oct 10 1849 and
> > > actual one there today was reconstructed in 1894.http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=5087872&e594362&s=2
> > >
> > > the Mexican side of the monument uses the word
> > > 'fijado' (fixed) and the US side uses the word
> > > 'established' to confirm that date. The treaty date is
> > > also mentioned separately.
> > >
> > > also, by use of the word 'Intial' one can assume that
> > > this was the first marker placed on usmx. Everything i
> > > have read on the subject confirms that as well.
> > >
> > > i do have a photo of the caazbc marker (#207) as well
> > > no close ups though.
> > >
> > > vc
> > >
> > > --- m donner <maxivan82@h...> wrote:
> > > > according to
> > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~dawise/Maine.htm
> > > > the oldest known extant caus monument dates from
> > > > 1817
> > > > but it was a replacement for a 1798 original
> > > > which was itself the first monument on the caus line
> > > > or rather on what was then the gbus line
> > > >
> > > > the position marked by these stones
> > > > at the source of the st croix river
> > > > or roughly halfway up the maine new brunswick
> > > > boundary
> > > > is shown in
> >
> >
> > 5&symshow=nhttp://topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=5087872&e594362&sym
> >
> > > > &
> >
> >
> > show=n__________________________________________________
> >
> > > > as can be seen there
> > > > the extant stone also marks the aroostook carlton
> > > > york tricounty point
> > > > as well as the trimunicipal point formed by amity
> > > > township & north lake &
> > > > richmond parishes
> > > > at a single multi distinguished position thus named
> > > > caus2menb3arcayo4amnori
> > > > tho the ibc calls it simply monument number 1
> > > >
> > > > & no pix as it is a virgin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > the first position marked on mxus
> > > > according to bus&ss
> > > > dates from around 1850
> > > > & is now occupied by monument 258
> > > > which you probably recall is the terminal rock
> > > > overlooking the pacific at
> > > > tijuana imperial beach
> > > >
> > > > but whether the present monument 258 incorporated
> > > > the original or merely
> > > > replaced it isnt known
> > > > as the date of monument 258 itself isnt available
> > > > & it could easily be much later
> > > > judging from the pix we have seen of it
> > > >
> > > > if so
> > > > then the oldest extant stone on mxus could be
> > > > anywhere
> > > >
> > > > but
> > > > also according to bus&ss
> > > > there are 6 other prime candidates from the same
> > > > original bcca survey also
> > > > including especially the opposite bcca terminal rock
> > > > which is the one nearest azbcca & the mexican cable
> > > > car tower on the
> > > > colorado river
> > > > & which struck me as being quite old
> > > > tho i neglected to photograph it
> > > >
> > > > but checking the dates on these 2 terminal rocks
> > > > alone might be sufficient
> > > > to settle the matter
> > > > without having to look for any of their 5 slightly
> > > > younger survey mates
> > > > also possibly still standing somewhere in between
> >
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