but yikes
it looks like the top of the oreo has been removed
in victors photo attachment to message 9237
check it out
decapitated as well as additionally mutilated
or at least it looks like the top of no other obeliskoid i have ever
seen or could imagine
& the base is just as chocolaty dark in that view too
so i am growing more confident that we may really have here
in monument 258
all that is left of the original 1849 initial monument
& thus not merely the oldest point on mxus
but also part of its oldest & indeed original working rock
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Brian J. Butler
<bjbutler@b...> wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 April 2003 01:24 pm, you wrote:
> Then it would be an oreo.
> BJB
>
> > very interesting
> > & i am going to wait for victor to return before shooting my
mouth
> > off again
> > because i bet he will have a view of the capstone
> > my preferred guess
> >
> > yet meanwhile i am feasting my eyes on the extreme
> > discoloration & stylistic difference of the pedestal from the
rest of
> > the monument in your pic
> > as well as the partial restoration of coloration that was also
> > evidently performed on this peculiarly 1850ish looking rather
> > than 1890ish looking pedestal
> > suggested they may once have been pretty well matched
> > say when reconstructed in 1894
> >
> > but the possibly newer stone on top hasnt weathered so
darkly
> > as the possibly older stone below it
> > which thus could actually be the original 1849 base
> > never displaced
> > but only as they say reconstructed
> >
> > still just guessing wildly
> > but what if it has a dark capstone too
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Brian J. Butler
> >
> > <bjbutler@b...> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 09 April 2003 12:05 pm, you wrote:
> > > Here is a picture of the east side of the monument. Hard to
tell
> >
> > whether any
> >
> > > of the monument is older. I might have some closer
photos, I'll
> >
> > check.
> >
> > >
http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/photos/CASMonument.jpg
> > >
> > > BJB
> > >
> > > > victor
> > > > most handsome & pertinent too
> > > >
> > > > indeed you appear already to have put your finger on the
final
> > > > answer
> > > > by directing our attention to the apparently key word
> > > > reconstructed
> > > > suggesting that the original 1849 rock has somehow
been
> > > > incorporated here into the 1894 reconstruction
> > > >
> > > > so given this apparent testimony
> > > > my guess would be that the 1849 original was in fact not
> > > > discarded in 1894
> > > > as the 1798 caus original evidently was in 1817
> > > > but became the core &or capstone of the present
monument
> > > > say along the lines of the armook reconstruction we just
saw
> > > > or else the old stone is presented by & present within the
> > > > present monument in some other less obvious way
> > > >
> > > > but can you further encourage such a surmise
> > > > from your memory &or pix
> > > > because if so then that would mean we are already
> >
> > practically
> >
> > > > looking at the clear victor here
> > > > as i believe we are
> > > > & need search no farther afield
> > > > but need only find & zero in further on the visibly older part
if
> >
> > any
> >
> > > > of monument 258
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Victor Cantore
> > > >
> > > > <drpotatoes@y...> wrote:
> > > > > mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > monument 258 on usmx was placed on oct 10 1849
and
> >
> > the
> >
> > > > > actual one there today was reconstructed in 1894.
> > > > >
> > > > > the Mexican side of the monument uses the word
> > > > > 'fijado' (fixed) and the US side uses the word
> > > > > 'established' to confirm that date. The treaty date is
> > > > > also mentioned separately.
> > > > >
> > > > > also, by use of the word 'Intial' one can assume that
> > > > > this was the first marker placed on usmx. Everything i
> > > > > have read on the subject confirms that as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > i do have a photo of the caazbc marker (#207) as well
> > > > > no close ups though.
> > > > >
> > > > > vc
> > > > >
> > > > > --- m donner <maxivan82@h...> wrote:
> > > > > > according to
> > > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~dawise/Maine.htm
> > > > > > the oldest known extant caus monument dates from
> > > > > > 1817
> > > > > > but it was a replacement for a 1798 original
> > > > > > which was itself the first monument on the caus line
> > > > > > or rather on what was then the gbus line
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the position marked by these stones
> > > > > > at the source of the st croix river
> > > > > > or roughly halfway up the maine new brunswick
> > > > > > boundary
> > > > > > is shown in
> >
> >
http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=5087872&e594362&s=2
> >
> > > > 5&symshow=n
> > > >
> > > > > > &
> >
> >
http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=5087872&e594362&sym
> >
> > > > show=n
> > > >
> > > > > > as can be seen there
> > > > > > the extant stone also marks the aroostook carlton
> > > > > > york tricounty point
> > > > > > as well as the trimunicipal point formed by amity
> > > > > > township & north lake &
> > > > > > richmond parishes
> > > > > > at a single multi distinguished position thus named
> > > > > > caus2menb3arcayo4amnori
> > > > > > tho the ibc calls it simply monument number 1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > & no pix as it is a virgin
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the first position marked on mxus
> > > > > > according to bus&ss
> > > > > > dates from around 1850
> > > > > > & is now occupied by monument 258
> > > > > > which you probably recall is the terminal rock
> > > > > > overlooking the pacific at
> > > > > > tijuana imperial beach
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but whether the present monument 258 incorporated
> > > > > > the original or merely
> > > > > > replaced it isnt known
> > > > > > as the date of monument 258 itself isnt available
> > > > > > & it could easily be much later
> > > > > > judging from the pix we have seen of it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if so
> > > > > > then the oldest extant stone on mxus could be
> > > > > > anywhere
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > also according to bus&ss
> > > > > > there are 6 other prime candidates from the same
> > > > > > original bcca survey also
> > > > > > including especially the opposite bcca terminal rock
> > > > > > which is the one nearest azbcca & the mexican cable
> > > > > > car tower on the
> > > > > > colorado river
> > > > > > & which struck me as being quite old
> > > > > > tho i neglected to photograph it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but checking the dates on these 2 terminal rocks
> > > > > > alone might be sufficient
> > > > > > to settle the matter
> > > > > > without having to look for any of their 5 slightly
> > > > > > younger survey mates
> > > > > > also possibly still standing somewhere in between
> >
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