On Wednesday 09 April 2003 12:05 pm, you wrote:
Here is a picture of the east side of the monument. Hard to tell whether any
of the monument is older. I might have some closer photos, I'll check.

http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/photos/CASMonument.jpg

BJB

> victor
> most handsome & pertinent too
>
> indeed you appear already to have put your finger on the final
> answer
> by directing our attention to the apparently key word
> reconstructed
> suggesting that the original 1849 rock has somehow been
> incorporated here into the 1894 reconstruction
>
> so given this apparent testimony
> my guess would be that the 1849 original was in fact not
> discarded in 1894
> as the 1798 caus original evidently was in 1817
> but became the core &or capstone of the present monument
> say along the lines of the armook reconstruction we just saw
> or else the old stone is presented by & present within the
> present monument in some other less obvious way
>
> but can you further encourage such a surmise
> from your memory &or pix
> because if so then that would mean we are already practically
> looking at the clear victor here
> as i believe we are
> & need search no farther afield
> but need only find & zero in further on the visibly older part if any
> of monument 258
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Victor Cantore
>
> <drpotatoes@y...> wrote:
> > mike,
> >
> > monument 258 on usmx was placed on oct 10 1849 and the
> > actual one there today was reconstructed in 1894.
> >
> > the Mexican side of the monument uses the word
> > 'fijado' (fixed) and the US side uses the word
> > 'established' to confirm that date. The treaty date is
> > also mentioned separately.
> >
> > also, by use of the word 'Intial' one can assume that
> > this was the first marker placed on usmx. Everything i
> > have read on the subject confirms that as well.
> >
> > i do have a photo of the caazbc marker (#207) as well
> > no close ups though.
> >
> > vc
> >
> > --- m donner <maxivan82@h...> wrote:
> > > according to
> > > http://home.earthlink.net/~dawise/Maine.htm
> > > the oldest known extant caus monument dates from
> > > 1817
> > > but it was a replacement for a 1798 original
> > > which was itself the first monument on the caus line
> > > or rather on what was then the gbus line
> > >
> > > the position marked by these stones
> > > at the source of the st croix river
> > > or roughly halfway up the maine new brunswick
> > > boundary
> > > is shown in
>
> http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=5087872&e594362&s=2
> 5&symshow=n
>
> > > &
>
> http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=5087872&e594362&sym
> show=n
>
> > > as can be seen there
> > > the extant stone also marks the aroostook carlton
> > > york tricounty point
> > > as well as the trimunicipal point formed by amity
> > > township & north lake &
> > > richmond parishes
> > > at a single multi distinguished position thus named
> > > caus2menb3arcayo4amnori
> > > tho the ibc calls it simply monument number 1
> > >
> > > & no pix as it is a virgin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > the first position marked on mxus
> > > according to bus&ss
> > > dates from around 1850
> > > & is now occupied by monument 258
> > > which you probably recall is the terminal rock
> > > overlooking the pacific at
> > > tijuana imperial beach
> > >
> > > but whether the present monument 258 incorporated
> > > the original or merely
> > > replaced it isnt known
> > > as the date of monument 258 itself isnt available
> > > & it could easily be much later
> > > judging from the pix we have seen of it
> > >
> > > if so
> > > then the oldest extant stone on mxus could be
> > > anywhere
> > >
> > > but
> > > also according to bus&ss
> > > there are 6 other prime candidates from the same
> > > original bcca survey also
> > > including especially the opposite bcca terminal rock
> > > which is the one nearest azbcca & the mexican cable
> > > car tower on the
> > > colorado river
> > > & which struck me as being quite old
> > > tho i neglected to photograph it
> > >
> > > but checking the dates on these 2 terminal rocks
> > > alone might be sufficient
> > > to settle the matter
> > > without having to look for any of their 5 slightly
> > > younger survey mates
> > > also possibly still standing somewhere in between
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