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Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: hi

--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "John

exactly
gulf coast florida gets 9
tho atlantic coast florida gets only 3

all of texas & all of puerto rico get 9 also

the cause seems to be a vestige of the spanish 3 league limit
which i believe was traditionally triple the 3 mile limit
but in that case atlantic fl & all al & ms & la
not to mention guam etc
really do seem to have gotten a bum deal

but no matter
such absurdities only make it more amusing for us

It sure does.

> From a legal standpoint, does the US

> and

Russia border?

yes definitely
there are even several tripoints wedged right in there
& strung out in a long northsouth line
like akruusn & akruuss at 3nm from each diomede
& aaakrus & aaakrun at 12nm from each diomede
& on out to the eezs & shelves

This is probably old hat for you experts, but http://geography.about.com/library/misc/uceez.htm:

"The control of the oceans is currently regulated by the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention that went into effect on November 16, 1994. This law defines oceanic jurisdiction for all nations. It establishes the principle of a 200-nautical-mile limit on a nation's exclusive economic zone (EEZ) whereby a nation controls the undersea resources, primarily fishing and seabed mining, for a distance of 200 nautical miles from its shore.

...

The old 3-mile limit is omitted from the chart above as it was generally replaced in 1967 by the 12-mile limit. Legal jurisdiction applies in relation to customs affairs, health concerns, and national security. The territorial water lying within the 12-mile limit is considered to be sovereign territory of the controlling nation, covered by the same legalities that apply to land. The primary exception is that all foreign ships are to be granted the "right of innocent passage." All ships, however, must be exposed and flying their nation's flag; no submerged vessels."

What exactly constitutes "innocent passage"? If the US wants to sail a half a mile off Iran, that would not be innocent passage, would it?

Also, what exactly is the contiguous zone? I see http://www.un.org/law/ilc/texts/terrsea.htm and http://www.oceanlaw.org/positions/contiguous/body_contiguous.html, but how does this differ from territorial waters?

> 1. One of the Alaskan islands
> lies beyond the

IDL. I doubt this as as fat as I can see, all of
them are

> on

the Eastern side. I think the claimant may have confused
the IDL with

> 180 ° longitude.

good thinking
you have a pointers head

> 2. The IDL runs through an island (I assume away from

Antarctica, as this

> would not be interesting) and it was set there

by mistake, not
realizing an

> island was there.

awesome
i bet you are right
& it would be great if you can find this probably tiny place

obviously the line jogs in several places to avoid things
but despite strong deja vu i cant think of anywhere it actually fails
to miss them

Ahah. I found it: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/12/30/48hours/main144569.shtml. This seems a bit more plasuible than http://www.cca.org/woc/felfat/exp1.html. ;-)

What are the other two? (Antarctica and ?)

> Midway is not part of HI, is it?

yes i dont believe so

> I thought HI was primarily the 8
> islands.

ummm. Kauai, Lanai, Oahu, Molechi, Maui, Hawaii
and the other two

Sorry, I misspelled Molokai.

> (I think only 6 are inhabited, or one is a military island.

Maybe
that is

> why I only remember 6 of them).

& that is also why i say
if not outdatedly

since i only know kure has been part of the state of hawaii
like all the other islands in the entire chain except the midways

but am not sure if this odd leapfrog arrangement is still in effect