Subject: Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
Date: Dec 05, 2002 @ 15:04
Author: acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
Prev Post in Topic Next [All Posts]
Prev Post in Time Next
> I'm still not sure, though.regulated by
>
> The CAFR boundary regarding territorial waters was not
> the court of arbitration ruling of 1992, but earlier on, and finallyfollowing
> regulated by an agreement dating from 1974. I've found the
> athttp://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/20051m_040201/french
>
> nciesfinal.doc , and this implies that there is not a landboundary.
> But only a detailed map would shed enough light on the issueto be
> sure.on
>
> Boundary turning points 4 and 5 are really interesting. They are
> the low water mark. And what to make of the remark "Islandswere both
> considered and ignored as locational factors in the boundarydefined?
> delimitation"? Does this only apply to the use of them (i.e. their
> base lines) as a base from which the territorial waters were
>Limits in
> ---------
>
> FRANCE-CANADA: TERRITORIAL SEA BOUNDARY
> (ST.PIERRE AND MIQUELON), March 1972, Excerpts
>
> The agreement and the comments following are extracted from
> the Seas, No. 57, "Canada-St. Pierre and Miquelon TerritorialSea
> Boundary," 12 September 1974.France
>
> The line which determines the limit of the territorial waters of
> Canada and the zones submitted to the fishery jurisdiction of
> extends northward and westward in a series of eightconnected
> straight lines joining the following points:Lamaline Shag
>
> TABLE 2-71
> FRANCE-CANADA MARITIME BOUNDARY
>
> POINT / LINES
> 1. Equidistant 12 nm from L'Enfant Perdu (France) and
> Rock (Canada). Latitude 46°38'46"N., Longitude 55°54'12"W.Shag Rock
> approximately.
> 2. Equidistant from L'Enfant Perdu (France) and Lamaline
> and Otter Rock (Canada). Latitude 46°41'56"N., Longitude 55°Enfant
> 58'57"W.approximately.
> 3. Equidistant from L'Enfant Perdu (France) and Otter Rock and
> Perdu (Canada). Latitude 46°48'10"N., Longitude 55°58'57"W.Enfant Perdu
> approximately.
> 4. The low water mark on the south-westernmost point on
> (Canada). Latitude 46°51'20"N., Longitude 56°05'30"W.approximately.
> 5. The low water mark on the west point of thesouth-westernmost
> island of the Little Green Island group. Latitude 46°51'36"N.,a
> Longitude 56°05'58"W. approximately.
> 6. The intersection of the French mid-channel line of 1907 with
> line parallel to, and 3 miles distant from a line joining Green56°07'47"W.
> Island to Dantzig Point. Latitude 46°55'52"N., Longitude
> approximately.the
> 7. The intersection of the French mid-channel line of 1907 with
> median line, equidistant from Bout du Nordet (France) andLittle
> Plate Island (Canada). Latitude 47°06'02"N., Longitude56°06'18" W.
> approximately.Plate
> 8. Equidistant from Cap du Nid a l'Aigle (France) and Little
> Island and the southwest Wolf Rock (Canada). Latitude47°18'19"N.
> Longitude 56°15'18"W. approximately.the
> 9. The intersection of the French mid-channel line of 1907 with
> outer limit of Canada's 12-mile territorial Sea. Latitude 47°sea
> 21'54"N., Longitude 56°29'40"W. approximately.
>
> U.S. ANALYSIS
>
> The analysis of the Canada-St. Pierre and Miquelon territorial
> boundary utilized DMAHC Chart N.O. 14340, 20th Edition,November
> 1943, revised November 11, 1972, and CanadianHydrographic Service
> Chart 405, compiled in 1971. The territorial sea agreementand
> boundary delimitation were printed on the above Canadianchart.
>nm, with
> The territorial sea boundary extends for a distance of 54.34
> an average distance between the turning point of 6.79 nm. Theequidistant
> average water depth at the turning points is 60.6 fathoms, with
> depths ranging from 35 to 160 fathoms.
>
> Five of the territorial sea boundary turning points are
> from Canadian and French territory. Overall, the turning pointsare
> an average of 6.79 nm from Canadian territory and 7.62 nmfrom St.
> Pierre and Miquelon.is
>
> The southern terminus of the territorial sea boundary, Point 1,
> located 12 nm equidistant from L'Enfant Perdu (France)46°47'08"N.,
> 56°06'48"W.) and Lamaline Shag Rock (Canada) (46°50'24"N.,55°
> 49'40"W.).(France)
>
> Turning Point 2 is 9.30 nm equidistant from L'Enfant Perdu
> and Lamaline Shag Rock and Otter Rock (46°51'00"N.,55°52'16"W.)
> (Canada). The distance between Point 1 and Point 2 is 3.16nm.
>L'Enfant
> Point 3 is 6.61 nm from Point 2 and 6.61 nm equidistant from
> Perdu (France) and Otter Rock and Enfant Perdu (Canada).the
>
> From Point 3 to Point 4 is a distance of 5.50 nm. Point 4 is not
> equidistant from French and Canadian territory; it is located at
> low-water mark off the southwest point of Enfant Perdu, aCanadian
> islet. Petit Colombier, a French islet immediately north ofGreat
> Colombier, is 3.25 nm from Point 4 and is the nearest Frenchis not
> territory.
>
> Point 4 and 5 are separated by a distance of 0.35 nm. Point 5
> equidistant from the two sovereignties, but is located at thelow-
> water mark on the west point of the south-westernmost islandof the
> Little Green Island group, which is Canadian. Petit Colombier,3.18
> nm southwest of Point 5, is the closest French islet.not an
>
> The distance between Points 5 and 6 is 4.40 nm. Point 6 is
> equidistant site; it is located at the intersection of the Frenchmid-
> channel line of 1907 with a line parallel to, and 3 nm west of, aThe
> line joining Green Island and Dantzic Point, Newfoundland.
> nearest Canadian territory to Point 6 is 5.88 nm at a location aequidistant
> little north of Little Dantzic Cove. The French islet of Petit du
> Cap, north of Cap Perce, is 5.22 nm from Point 6.
>
> Point 7 is 10.30 nm from Point 6, and is also 5.30 nm
> from Little Plate Island (Canada) and Bout du Nordet(47°04'43"N., 56°
> 13'13"W.) (France). Point 7 also marks the intersection of theequidistant from
> French mid-channel line of 1907 and the median line
> the islands of Little Plate and Bout du Nordet.to the
>
> It is 13.68 nm between Points 7 and 8. According to the annex
> agreement, Point 8 is equidistant from Cap du Nid a l'Aigle(variant
> name is Cap Miquelon) (France) and Little Plate Island and theand U.S.
> southwest Wolf Rocks (Canada). An analysis of the Canadian
> hydrographic charts reveals that it is Big Plate Island and notWolf
> Little Plate Island that is the location which is equidistant from
> Point 8 on the Canadian side. Further, it is the southernmost
> Rocks, and not the southwest Wolf Rocks, which is anothersite on the
> Canadian side equidistant from Point 8. Point 8 is 10.30 nmfrom
> both Canadian and French territory.the
>
> The distance from Point 8 to Point 9 is 10.34 nm. Point 9 is not
> equidistant from French and Canadian territory; it is situated at
> intersection of the French-mid-channel line of 1907 and theouter
> limit of Canada's 12nm territorial sea. The territorial sea isHermitage
> measured from the Canadian straight baseline which closes
> Bay. Point 9 is 12.85 nm from southwest Wolf Rocks (Canadaand
> 14.50nm from Cap du Nid a l'Aigle (Cap Miquelon) (France).(France)
>
> Summary
>
> The territorial sea boundary between St. Pierre and Miquelon
> and Newfoundland (Canada) utilizes both the equidistanceprinciple
> and negotiated locations in delimiting the 54.34 nm boundary.Five
> of the turning points are equidistant locations, whereas theother
> four points represent negotiated positions. Islands were boththere
> considered and ignored as locational factors in the boundary
> delimitation.
>
> ---------
>
> Peter S.
>
>
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Doug Murray" <doug@d...> wrote:
> > Wow! Good work Peter!
> >
> > I think I will go down to the Topo map office here and see if
> is a sheet showing the area in detail. Could you imagine ifwe've
> discovered a CAFR land boundary?! How exciting.near
> >
> > By the way, I get a TV channel from St-Pierre on my satellite
> system. I love watching their news!
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Peter Smaardijk
> > To: BoundaryPoint@y...
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:23 PM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
> >
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Doug Murray" <doug@d...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's a map showing Green Island and several others
> CAFR. MySaint-
> > quest is to find a chart that covers this area... my dream is
> that
> > the boundary runs across one of the Islands.
> >
> >
> > Well, the dream could be reality!
> >
> > Found at http://www.st-pierre-et-
> miquelon.com/musee/tricoche.html :
> >
> > "(...) Un de ces îlots, l'île Verte, où l'on aurait à peine la
> place
> > de bâtir une maison de taille ordinaire et ses dépendances,
> contient
> > ce qu'on appelle en plaisantant " la frontière de terre de
> > Pierre-et-Miquelon ". C'est qu'en effet, il appartient parmoitié
> àspace to
> > la France et à Terre-Neuve. (...)"
> >
> > (One of these islands, the Green Island, with hardly any
> > build a house of normal dimensions and its annexes,contains what
> isSaint-Pierre-et-Miquelon".
> > jokingly called "the land boundary of
> Itof
> > is indeed split in half between France and Newfoundland)
> >
> > Peter S.
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
> Service.