What tripoint map? What sandbar? And what boat drop?
BJB
--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Meridien24" <meridien24@y...> wrote:
> TopoZone seems to have the border misplaced!... Ft Montgomery isn't
> even there! Weird. Maptech's server must be down, I keep getting
> 404's... I'll use TerraServer for today.
>
> One of the television directors here is a lifelong resident of NY's
> North Country - he tells me that Ft. Montgomery was bought by the
> president of a nearby pharmaceutical plant to turn into his personal
> Xanadu. The access road to the Fort, he tells me, is barred and
> posted. Nevertheless.
>
> And to correct myself -- of course, Ft Montgomery IS on land
> (...duh), it just happens to be separated by a moat - which, I'm
> told, has progressively filled back up to the point that the Fort is
> only an "island" at high tide. But the Fort may not be the best
> vantage point anyway, as you pointed out.
>
> Alburg's "Line Road" - which straddles the border for several miles -
> makes it all the way to marker 644, thus might be the best way to
> approach this, since the only dry option in NY would be to sneak into
> the Fort. Betcha anything I'll earn another run-in with the border
> patrol, though.
>
> While I'm there, I'll make a side trip to another interesting border-
> area military ruin... the abandoned nuclear Atlas missile site
> located 600 meters from the border in Champlain. Went there a while
> ago, but sans camera. It obviously hasn't been touched since the mid-
> 60's. (This area is even richer than I thought with border-
> straddling roads, abandoned & unguarded border crossings, etc!)
>
> As far as the frozen option -- you'll notice on the tripoint map that
> most of the link across the river is a sandbar, not a bridge, and the
> sandbar is usually reliable in freezing a good chunk strong enough
> for pick-up trucks. The boat drop on the sandbar is used by US
> border enforcement agencies but is open for anyone to use - I should
> at least get closer. We'll see in February.
>
>
> TerraServer Topo/Sat. images of tripoint area:
> http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?
> t=2&s=12&x=788&y=6230&z=18&w=2
>
> TerraServer Topo/Sat. images of Atlas missile "auxiliary" site
> http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?
> t=1&s=12&x=775&y=6230&z=18&w=2
>
>
> --Jay Di Battista
> Plattsburgh, NY
> WPTZ-TV
>
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> > oops
> > i just found maptech gives a much better map than topozone
> > & it does show a road crossing the moat to montgomery island
> > so some remnant of that connection may still be there for you
> >
> > however this map also shows that there is a closer approach to
> > the tripoint position on firmer ground from the vermont side
> > & that there are monuments just above both banks
> > numbered 644 & 645a in vt & ny respectively
> >
> > these monuments are likely to be intervisible on a clear day
> > so they may be a help in getting a fix on the tripoint position
> > by just eyeballing along the caus line from either shore
> >
> > but the map also indicates that the tripoint is slightly closer to
> the
> > right bank than the left
> > & actually very near midstream
> > so my earlier belief that it favors the left bank is mistaken
> >
> > the map also shows a wetmark or buoy within the richelieu river
> > numbered 645
> > tho the ibc specifies this position as a site rather than a marker
> > hence probably just a ghost & no longer an extant monument
> > but it would be interesting to know if anything is still out there
> >
> > also i really like your ice walking plan
> > especially as it would be a bp first
> > but since a mild el nino winter is being predicted
> > the ice isnt likely to get very hard this year
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Meridien24" <meridien24@y...> wrote:
> > > Ol' Ft. Blunder happens to be my desktop picture! -- check out
> > the
> > > link below. It's only about 100 yards from the tripoint.
> > >
> > > Driving to Ft Montgomery is, well, impossible - as you can see
> > on the
> > > small map, it's not on land! I'm not sure the link it had to
> land
> > is
> > > still there..
> > >
> > > however, here's a thought: in a couple of months, the lake'll be
> > > frozen. Maybe then I can walk to the tri-point... hmm. We'll
> see
> > > how cold it gets.
> > >
> > > http://www.historiclakes.org/explore/Montgomery.html
> > >
> > > --J
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@b...> wrote:
> > > > Your best bet would be to drive out to the fortification shown
> > in
> > > > Mike's photo and canoe out from there. The fort is Fort
> > Montgomery,
> > > > built but never used.
> > > >
> > > > BJB
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "m donner" <maxivan82@h...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > hi jay
> > > > >
> > > > > both your posts were well enjoyed
> > > > >
> > > > > the attached pic was taken from the bridge on a dark day
> > > > > ny at left
> > > > > vt at right
> > > > > qc on the horizon
> > > > >
> > > > > i believe the tripoint is situated roughly athwart the large
> > > > fortification
> > > > > barely visible at left
> > > > > & of course you can confirm or improve upon this guess if
> > you can
> > > > find the
> > > > > nyqc terminal monument
> > > > >
> > > > > as you probably also know from topozone
> > > > > the usgs indicates the tripoint lies only about a quarter or
> a
> > > third
> > > > of the
> > > > > way from the left to the right shore
> > > > >
> > > > > so heres wishing you a much brighter as well as a much
> > dryer day
> > > so
> > > > you can
> > > > > develop this further
> > > > > m