Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question
Date: Sep 23, 2002 @ 22:32
Author: Jon Amato ("Jon Amato" <jamato@...>)
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Interestingly enough, New Jersey got most of Ellis Island.   It's an interesting story, actually: at the time the original boundary was defined, NJ owned the submerged land in that part of New York Harbor (important, considering there was a substantial oyster bed there at the time),  and New York got everything above the water line.  The dispute originally arose in the 1870s when the island was tripled in size via landfill (material removed to build the tunnels that are now the NYC subways and sewer system)  This raised the question: Did the state of NY have claim to the landfill-created areas that were formerly underwater, and thus part of New Jersey? 
 
The Supremes ruled that New York owned only the parts of Ellis Island that were above the water line in at the time the original boundary was drawn, prior to the expansion of the island via landfill.  The majority of the island (the entire landfilled area) was ruled to be in New Jersey. 
 
However, I believe you're right:  Despite the lack of a judicial stamp on the matter Liberty Island is probably a New York enclave in New Jersey, although a pretty strange one, at that.
 
Jon Amato (an escaped New Yorker)
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Hanrahan
To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:51 PM
Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question

Jon, thanks for the clarification.  You're right about Ellis Island...I believe that New York got the lions share of Ellis.  I've been under the impression that there was a discussion of the division of Liberty Island in that case, but I may be incorrect..  Is anyone aware of any litigation still pending?
 
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Amato [mailto:jamato@...]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:38 PM
To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question

Hm.   I know there was a dispute settled by the US Supreme court about 5 years ago over Ellis Island (New Jersey v. New York, 523 US 767 (1998)), but I didn't know that there was also a judicial resolution to the dispute over Liberty Island, as well.  
 
I do know that as recently as 1989, a New Jersey congressman (who's name escapes me at the moment) was trying to bring some kind of legislative action against NY over the sales tax collected at the concession stands at Liberty Island (known as Bedloe's Island prior to 1956, incidentally), but I can't find anything on the Internet regarding the outcome of that action.
 
Jon
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:16 PM
Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question

And settled by the U.S. Supreme Court.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Amato [mailto:jamato@...]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:14 PM
To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question

New York, although that has been disputed from time to time by the state of New Jersey.  
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:05 PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question

In what state do you find the Statue of Liberty?
 
Jesper
 

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