--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> Two pictures of the old bedelu. One old stone is standing south of the
> road (B on the little scheme I made). It bears an inscription, but has
> become impossible to decipher. The other marker (B)
here peter i assume you must mean marker a rather than marker b
in case anyone is still trying to follow all this
which i can vouch is well worth the extra effort & in fact great fun
more comments below
is a cast iron benl
> type of marker, so it looks like forming part of the delimitation of
> 1843, when the border of Belgium with the remaining parts of the
> Netherlands (the Kingdom of the N. and the Gr. Duchy of Luxembourg) was
> demarcated. In other words, this marker should be on the border of
> Luxembourg and the Belgian province of Luxembourg. In those times, the
> adjacent part of the province of Liège (the Germanophone part) was part
> of Prussia.
>
> Whether A or B is the old tripoint, and nowadays the secundary
> tripoint, I don't know (and that's why I also don't know if the border
> is following the north or the south roadside - I have drawn both
> possibilities). It could be that it is B, and that A is the first
> marker on the belu border (or the last). But in order for B to have any
> function, this means that the belu border is running on the north side
> of the road west of A, and on the south side east of B. If the border
> runs on the same side of the road both east and west of the two
> markers, A is probably the tripoint, and the border runs on the north
> side, because I think A definitely is a border marker, and I'm not sure
> what B is.
>
> Who can help? Anyone with a detailed enough map of the area?
it would be helpful to find a decent historical diagram of benelux too
particularly the parts of modern liege between bedenl & paleobedelu
from 1816 to 1921
but your data here can be followed well enough anyway
with just the perry castaneda map of belgium
& i believe you have added enough in message 6439 to conclude that marker b=
is the true paleobedelu
& that modern belu does indeed cross the road between markers b & a
as i believe you said or meant to say yourself
if more help is still needed
i think eefs benl & bede & moresnet walks lend a great deal of credence to =
the above conclusion also
for just as the 1824 monlpr obeliskoid at modern bedenl was not replaced by=
a tall pointy 1843 benl marker
so the somewhat similar but probably slightly older paleobedelu obeliskoid =
was not replaced by an 1843 belu marker either
moreover both obeliskoids are stylistically similar also to the obeliskoids=
of the denl demarcation of 1819
of which they would appear to be the nonidentical but practically twin term=
inal monuments
& the original wooden 1819 moresnet markers that were eventually replaced b=
y stone obeliskoids too may also have been in this same style from the start=
tho that is admittedly the most speculative & least necessary detail of the=
analysis
& hardly a fitting conclusion
but there you have it all anyway
m
mo moresnet
pr prussia
for the occasion
& thanx for delivering on this promise & special request