Subject: Re: Enclave thesis
Date: Apr 13, 2002 @ 00:05
Author: lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
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Any of you going to try to lose 10 pounds by the 14th of May?
LN

--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> dear len
> no apologies nor regrets needed
> as my interest in what you & everyone else here likes desires wishes
> enjoys etc is sincere
> for that has general value
>
> it is only that i have no interest in what you dont like or dont
want
> etc
> for that has no value
> so please lets simplify the discussion & eschew the usual pathos
> frustration bitterness problems etc normally associated with
> clavology & borderology & such as you resumed detailing & soliciting
> here below
> for we havent asked for any & dont know what to do with it
> because we are having too much fun to slow down for it
>
> & if you dont find the common focus we have all actually signed on
to
> here either broad or deep enough please feel free to go as
> centrifugal on us as you like but dont expect others to follow you
> necessarily nor to stop responding centripetally themselves
>
> & btw i didnt think mats had anything to apologize for either
>
> so in a nutshell
> if you or anyone cant or wont talk about try pointing then please do
> at least try pointing at & focussing exclusively on whatever does
> have positive value for you
>
> m
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "lnadybal" <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > Sorry...
> >
> > I was commenting on the phrase in the message I responded to which
> > found curious, which was:
> >
> > " nice to have this reassembly of many basic clave ideas tho i
> > couldnt quite see how the author figured the experience would be
of
> > value to the entire world".
> >
> > "Reassembly". Was that meant as a synonym for "rehash" - in the
> face
> > of the poster's apology if the posting contained old news?
> >
> > I guess I was trying to say it was immaterial that one couldn't
> figure
> > out why the author figured the experience would be of value to the
> > whole world. But, if it feels good to imagine what it might be
> like
> > if the whole world though our mutual topics were central to the
> > universe, well.... go for it!
> >
> > At the same time I was trying to prompt others to get interested
in
> > reporting a little more on the human side of exclaves in contrast
> to
> > "reassemblies" of classifications, geopolicitial peculiarities and
> > border descriptions. I wasn't soliciting (or wasn't trying to
> > solicit) free reading material or tell the world what I liked.
> I'll
> > consider taking umbrage that you thought that. I was only trying
> to
> > broaden this board by distributing an idea for a topic or range of
> > topics that would lend more depth to the variety of subject matter
> > undelying the basic purpose of this message board.
> >
> > That's all.
> >
> > LN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > well it is nice to hear what you wish & enjoy len
> > >
> > > yet being of value to the entire world wasnt immaterial to the
> > author
> > > who expressly wished & claimed it for his thesis
> > > & it is perhaps the best idea in the paper
> > > so i was following that part with the greatest interest
> > > for it certainly feels good to imagine that anyone or anything
> could
> > > be of value to the entire world
> > > & indeed to wish that for oneself & ones action
> > > so if anyone did understand better what the author meant in this
> > > regard i would still like to rehear your idea of this thesis
> > > which has frankly eluded me
> > > thats all
> > > whether it is immaterial for you or not
> > > m
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "lnadybal" <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Vinokurov's document made interesting reading. I think it
> is
> > > > useful for anyone in the world who needs a primer on how to
> > catalog
> > > > things. It is rich in upper level assessments, but like so
> many
> > > other
> > > > writings on enclaves, it doesn't dealve into the
"nitty-gritty"
> of
> > > > people's lives in them. For instance, if you live in an
> exclave,
> > > and
> > > > have to call an ambulance, can it come from the adjacent
> country?
> > > Who
> > > > pays the bill and how, in the case of medical insurance
> carriers.
> > > > Does an exclave resident need a work permit to work in the
> > adjacent
> > > > country? If Dutch tanks rolled in and occupied a farmfield in
> > > Baarle
> > > > that belonged to Belgium, would Belgium be allowed to violate
> the
> > > NL -
> > > > B border to help it's exclave? I experienced two such
> incidents,
> > > one
> > > > in Baarle - where a neighbor called the police to turn down
the
> > > volume
> > > > of a crowd at a party a couple of doors away - the other house
> was
> > > in
> > > > a foreign country - the police department that was called
> couldn't
> > > do
> > > > anything once they arrived and found the house wasn't in their
> > > > country. In Buesingen, I once tried to use US military gas
> > coupons
> > > at
> > > > the Esso station - the coupons are good at any Esso and BP
> station
> > > in
> > > > Germany - but not at the one in Busingen. Why? Because, gas
> in
> > > > Busingen is priced in Swiss currency, taxed at German rates in
> the
> > > > Swiss Franc equivalent, and the gas station's source of supply
> is
> > > > Swiss.
> > > >
> > > > Im not levying a criticism of Mr. Vinokurov's work by my
> message,
> > > just
> > > > wishing someone would write up local stories like those from
> > > exclaves
> > > > they've visited - to get depth on the subject rather than high
> > > level
> > > > catgorizations of what exclaves are in ever varying
> compilations
> > of
> > > > words that basically repeat the same subject matter.
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Vinokurov's work did expose a couple new situations I'll
> have
> > > fun
> > > > getting into, and for that I am grateful he wrote his piece
and
> > > that
> > > > someone here posted it. Whether it matters to the world at
> large
> > > is
> > > > immaterial.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > LN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > > nice to have this reassembly of many basic clave ideas tho i
> > > couldnt
> > > > > quite see how the author figured the experience would be of
> > value
> > > to
> > > > > the entire world
> > > > >
> > > > > also i was interested to see that he cited catudal but
> evidently
> > > > > demurred from using the pene word when semi & quasi were
> clearly
> > > > > better
> > > > >
> > > > > m
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "ps1966nl" <smaardijk@y...>
wrote:
> > > > > > It's new news to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, this is from the Albertina, i.e. Kaliningrad
> State
> > > > > > University. K'grad Russians are more than preoccupied with
> > > their
> > > > > > status. "Enclave" for them means being the poorest of all
> > > Baltic
> > > > > > states...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peter S.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., Ernst Stavro Blofeld
> > > <blofeld_es@y...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Have y'all seen this?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://rationality.albertina.ru/arcs.phtml?arc=14
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My apologies if it is old news...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mats